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Activision CEO Suggests Record Labels Should Be Paying To Get In Video Games
from the this-ought-to-be-fun dept
Remember a couple months ago, when Warner Music's Edgar Bronfman complained that the makers of video games like Guitar Hero and Rock Band should be paying more for the music they used? He claimed, incorrectly, that the games were "entirely dependent" on the record labels' content. That was wrong, and totally downplayed the fact that the video games were actually adding value to the music. Now it appears that the maker of Guitar Hero, Activision, is hitting back. The company's CEO is pointing out how much being in those games has helped bands, suggesting that its really the record labels that are getting too good of a deal:
"When you look at the impact [the game] can have on an Aerosmith, Van Halen or Metallica, it's really significant -- so much so that you sort of question whether or not, in the case of those kinds of products, you should be paying any money at all and whether it should be the reverse. The bulk of our consumers will tell you they're not purchasing the products based on the songs that are included, they're purchasing based on how fun the songs are to play when they're playing them."He's exactly right. The content industry always seem to over estimate how much "value" the content provides and almost totally ignore the value provided by anyone else in the value chain. It's going to be interesting to see what happens over the next few months, but I would bet that the video game companies have the stronger hand here, and despite Bronfman's statements, the record labels really understand that.
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I was thinking about this the other day...
the record labels are getting paid to have someone advertise for them. How good a deal is that?
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Re: I was thinking about this the other day...
"How good a deal is that?"
Not good enough, apparently.
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Labels
Sounds like Activision need to launch they're own label and start signing their own artists -- if, as Robert Kotick, claims, they can drive sales up a thousand percent, they'd probably have some real guitar heroes standing in line.
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Re: Labels
Yeah - I'd love to see Activision develop acts. Activision is just using the media to try and negotiate with copyright holders.
I think that music has value and should be respected and when it's used, should be compensated.
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What about Valve/Steam?
Well, this idea runs opposite of other games out there where customers can bring their music to the game.
Valve/Steam AudioSurf for example. The creator of Guitar Hero said to the creator of AudioSurf something like "We wouldn't ever let people bring content to our game because they will mess it up".
In other news, Valve was acquired by Google.
http://www.inquisitr.com/3375/google-may-have-acquired-half-live-creator-valve/
[Facepalm] Isn't Redmond 5 miles from Bellevue, WA?
Oh well. Seems like Google's on the prowl again. If Activsion thinks it's worthless, oh well.
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Re: What about Valve/Steam?
"[Facepalm] Isn't Redmond 5 miles from Bellevue, WA?
Oh well. Seems like Google's on the prowl again. If Activsion thinks it's worthless, oh well."
Now Google is stealing EX-microsoft talent LOL
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Simple product placement economics. except which is the product that benefits here?
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It seems fairly symbiotic and mutually beneficial, but the Game has a stronger position. Dragonforce was unknown before they were used in the game, and if the majors won't pay the indies surely will.
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Theres a million great indie artists and small labels out there who would kill to get into a game like Guitar Hero, some would actually pay.
Bronfman's statements beautifully illustrate why the music industry is headed into the shitter. Clueless. Old. Men.
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Correct!
Pay us to be used in our games!
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My kids
I've often tried to get my kids to listen to "that olden days" music. Now thanks to Guitar Hero they are "into" bands that they wouldn't have touched otherwise.
Now I can play a lot of "my" music on car trips without the hassle...
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Old Digitally-Analphabetic
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Old Digitally-Analphabetic Men
About those Music Studio execs ...
Well on one hand I tend to believe that they are a combination of "Digitally analphabetic" (not even able to start up a PC) and extremely greedy.
On the other hand maybe they realized that their business is disappearing as their business model is outdated and they try to bring in whatever they can get still ...
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True!
I never even knew "Through the fire and flames - Dragonforce", and what about now? I reckon many people were like myself before guitar hero appeared. It's one of the most famous songs now.
I hope guitar hero won't become one of these crappy games, containing many of these crappy new pop songs, where hardly a guitar is even played, just because it was well paid...
This way, the company had the control over which songs are used, because they wanted them.
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Activision is a content publisher, not creator
Just a technical note, Activision doesnt make guitar hero, much like a record company, Activision doesnt actually make much of anything, they are a publisher. Harmonix invented the game, but Neversoft I believe is the current developer. Someone else correct me if I am wrong here?
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Re: Activision is a content publisher, not creator
If Wikipedia is to be believed, Activision and RedOctane publish Guitar Hero, developed by Harmonix until Guitar Hero III, which was developed by Neversoft.
Related: MTV Games publishes and EA distributes Rock Band, developed by Harmonix.
I couldn't find from there, though, exactly who is involved in the licensing deals for the music; whether it's the developer, publisher, or distributor.
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Indie edition!
If the RIAA insists on raising the royalties, it's time for Guitar Hero Indie Edition, packed with 100% RIAA-free music.
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CREATORS OF MUSIC,HAVE EVERY RIGHT
IF A BAND,CREATES A SONG,THE HELL WITH THE CEO,OF VIVENDI,DONT PLAY,THE MUSICAL GAMES,BECAUSE THE CREATORS,DECIDED,PUT UP,OR SHUT UP.EDGAR IS RIGHT,GO SUE THE PANTS OUT OF VIVENDI,OR DONT,SELL THE MUSICAL GAMES,GOT IT? I OWN,MANY SONGS,I WOULD,SAY HEY,PLEASE DONT SELL THE GAMES,ITS MY MUSIC I CREATED,HIT VIVENDI,IN ITS POCKETBOOK HARD,JEFFREY
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i think that record labels should pay to have their games in guitar hero and rock band. it helps to bring back the music and a new desire to listen to it. the only bad thing is the few guys that listning to the songs on guitar hero, listen to them again and air guitar
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