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China Deletes Wikipedia?
from the knowledge-is-bad dept
It's pretty much a rite of passage for any popular tool or site to, at some point or another, be blocked by China for being somehow problematic. It happened to Google. It's happening to Skype. And, now, according to some, China is blocking out Wikipedia with their Great Firewall. It would appear, then, that Wikipedia isn't posting the type of happy, fun, socially beneficial information that the Chinese government has declared as safe for the internet.
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WWW
Ahh, so much for the World Wide Web.
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Re: WWW
Well, technically China still has the internet but you do have a point
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Ignorance is not bliss. One evil or the other.
I've been on the fence on the two-sided: "I'm a (fill-in the blank)-American. I agree with int'l echos... US has the stigma of being arrogrant and self rightous but scary to think that in our life time China may possibly be "big brother" due to the military and investment expansion.
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Re: Ignorance is not bliss. One evil or the other.
The joy and risk of over coming lies and deceit! How many times can VC get burned by China before they figure it out. It's not a number's game or is it?
When it comes to making $$$ you work with the system. If you expect change consider our government to do some type of re-education with fatality consequence. $=root of all evil
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Re: Ignorance is not bliss. One evil or the other.
Re: Ignorance is not bliss. One evil or the other.
So, love($) = sqrt(evil)?
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Re: Ignorance is not bliss. One evil or the other.
it's fruitless for them to fight freedom of speech. China is fighting a war on information drugs that they will lose.
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Re: Ignorance is not bliss. One evil or the other.
yep... i was gonna comment on the same.. kudos.
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Re: Ignorance is not bliss. One evil or the other.
Actually, it's the love of $ that is the root of all evil
Send me $9.95 for additional information...
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Re: Ignorance is not bliss. One evil or the other.
Re: the love of money is the root of all evil.
So why is it the money of love that's illegal, most places? Dyslexia?
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Re: Ignorance is not bliss. One evil or the other.
If $ = Root of all evil then can I have yours.
Look at it as I am saving your Soul.
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Internet Censorship
I think media censorship as a while is almost completely unnecessary. I mean, of course you can censor nudity, violence, and foul language from public TV, but individuals have the right to see/hear what they want if they're willing to pay for it. Such as the internet. China is just taking away the rights of it's people.
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Re: Internet Censorship
No shit sherlock, it's a communist government. They can censor anything.
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Re: Internet Censorship
I realize this. I'm just voicing my opinion, in which I happen to disagree with the subject at hand. I'm not bashing Communism (don't ask why), I'm just saying that it's quite unfair.
Although, Communism in itself dosen't work... But that's a whole other argument.
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Re: Internet Censorship
>Although, Communism in itself dosen't work... >But that's a whole other argument.
Communism doesn't work, and neither does Capitalism. Both are idealistic notions of economy; but the workers aren't in charge of China and the US doesn't have a free market.
Both purported communism and capitalism can exist under a dictatorship, but neither itself is totalitarian. Institutions will take any good idea and turn it into an authoritarian regime.
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Wikipedia doesn't work in China.
It's true - I live in China and wikipedia hasn't worked for several days, where I've never had a single problem with it in the past. Is there anyway to use a proxy or something to get around it? I need wikipedia!
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Re: Wikipedia doesn't work in China.
www.anonymouse.ws
works just fine!
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No Subject Given
why does the chinese economy execpt this kind of treatment. Do they believe that their gov't takes better care of them than they do? Sure, the gov't can insure that no one person is homeless, but is it not better to be homeless and have your freedom than to to be housed and have none? Just my opinion, I understand that comm. has it's goods.
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ARRRGH
URGH... screw China! No wonder wikipedia hasn't been working since I moved here!
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Damn u chinese
Ive been stuck in china for 3 years now, wikipedia does not work, no matter wat u do, the bbc news site does not work, and i bet theres loads more, it sucks so much
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reply to "damn u chinese."
i am replying to this guy - scott's comment on 8-18.2006.
in case you don't know, the wikipedia has a chinese version (not the one by baidu), there chinese wikipedia has 29 "administrators" that are working from inside of mainland China. like scott you and rest of the millions of Chinese can't get connected, but those special 29 people can actually work on wikipedia, isn't that odd? now read on.
"But on sensitive questions of China's modern history or on hot-button issues, the Chinese version diverges so dramatically from its English counterpart that it sometimes reads as if it were approved by the censors themselves." from [http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/11/29/news/wiki.php Chinese-language Wikipedia presents different view of history]
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I know, right now, those chinese spy moderators must be really hoping that they can delete this topic asap. I posted a similar comment on the chinese page, it was IMMEDIATLY deleted. and all my other comments which are not related to this topic, which are very relevant to those topics were also deleted, and somehow those chinese spy moderators also made them "disappeared" as if they did not delete anything at all. and then they banned me for "vandalism."
It is a known fact that China blocked its people's access to wikipedia. however, i checked the chinese page, they have total of 29 moderators that are in China! 6 from beijing, 6 from guangzhou, 6 from shanghai, etc. There are more moderators from China than from any other parts of the world. however, if the chinese are blocked from getting on here, how can those Chinese moderators still have time and resources to moderate the chinese wikipedia? isn't that odd?
you may have heard about [[Shi Tao]], the chinese government put him in jail for 10 years because the government was able to find his location thru a single IP address which was reported by yahoo. those 29 moderators' are listed publicly on the chinese page. So it is quite obvious that the chinese government must have those 29 mainland chinese moderators' personal informaiton. I highly suspect that most of the chinese mainland moderators are spies sent by the Chinese communists. It is a banned web site, what kind of people are willing to edit a web site that is banned by his or her own government especially in china?!
I can probably safely say that there are more people using the chinese version from Hong Kong and Taiwan than people from [[mainland China]]. however, [[Hongkong]] only has 13, [[Taiwan]] has 17. isn't that odd? further, during my time on that site, as far as I know, no moderator from hong kong banned or deleted my contributions, and there are 13 of them. if I really did something wrong, shouldn't they also be able to ban or delete? and who can gurantee that those moderators who are listed under other country names are not really from mainland china?
Another thing, it is forbidden to gather without government permit in China. however, that chinese site recently even had two meetings in capital - [[Beijing]] and in city of guangzhou. there are constant reports about police harassing and spying on people who secretly gathered in churches which are not approved by the government, etc. so there is no way that the government doesn't spy on those wikipedia meetings. It is just shocking to see those moderators so "bravely" advertising on the public page. and when I posted a question about my doubt, it was immediatly deleted as usual. those comment pages were also put into protection.
i am not insance or crazy. It is also a known fact that china has spies in taiwan. it seems to me that the moderator from taiwan jasonzhoucn is also very "communistly" suspicious. one time, i added to only two extra links to an article of the chinese golden shield project, he immediatly deleted them without a reason. he also deleted the extra information that i have added for some of the articles.
i am not crazy, or delusional. however, think about it, the chinese have to use special programs, proxy servers in order to get on this page. and even if they have high speed, the speed won't be fast enough. who would have the patience even to edit those pages if the internet connection is not fast enough? there are 13 billion chinese, how many of them can actually get on here easily? so how is that possible that there are so many mainland chinese moderators?! and since the majority of Chinese can't get on this site, you would expect that there are lots of articles pro taiwan's independence, but there are not a lot. And the article about "Two Chinas" was actually deleted TWICE in just November. And one of the moderator later on said that he did not find any history about its delettion at all?!
The reason that i am suspecting is because of what happened to me recently. i tried to edit the page for the "peopel's republic of china". even today, that article does not have a single word about human rights and falun gong. i added those two items, immediatly a mainland chinese moderator deleted my contribution, then put that article into protection. i have added many similar contents in other articles. most of them have been deleted by those mainland chinese moderators.
when i tried to voice my suspision and my comments on those community forums, those moderators immediatly deleted them. then they banned me , accused me doing "vandalism?!"
with 29 chinese mainlander moderators, that site is basically controlled by the chinese spies sent by the communist party. they do not allow people to add anything that are bad about the chinese communist party. so here i am, I don't know if this is the proper place to voice my opinion. i seriously think that someone should take a look into this matter.
"But on sensitive questions of China's modern history or on hot-button issues, the Chinese version diverges so dramatically from its English counterpart that it sometimes reads as if it were approved by the censors themselves." [1] This indeed confirmed my suspicion.
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wikipidia
thats dumb.Wikipidia is great!!!!!!!!!
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