Better Business Bureau Works Through Childish Cingular/Sprint Spat
from the ok,-move-on dept
Last month, we noted that after the National Advertising Division of the Better Business Bureau had privately ruled on a silly dispute between mobile operators over what meaningless definition of "best" each operator could use, Cingular decided to file a lawsuit to get it on the public record that their "fewest dropped calls" wasn't misleading. Well, now it appears the Better Business Bureau has gotten sick of the lawsuits and decided to reveal some of the points it made in its decision, showing that they actually had to waste their time telling Cingular which pointless advertising claims it could and couldn't use. So, the BBB has decided that Cingular does have the "fastest national wireless data network" and "the largest push-to-talk network in America." Even more importantly, Cingular can claim "more bars in more places." I know you're all excited. However, at the same time, it turns out that Cingular cannot reasonably claim that it: "offers the broadest and deepest portfolio of wireless business solutions" or that "our people and partners make wireless work for more businesses than any other wireless carrier." Hope that's all clear now.
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Phew by Dom on Jun 21st, 2006 @ 3:20am
Well, I'm sure glad that's all cleared up!
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Oh Yeah by Cyberwolf on Jun 21st, 2006 @ 4:50am
Do they work down by the docks? I never get signal there :(
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Why is this so silly? by Tyshaun on Jun 21st, 2006 @ 5:03am
I think it's great that someone finally is enforcing a bit of "truth-in-advertising" albeit because the parties involved brought on the scrutiny themselves. Hey, if more truth-in-ad laws were enforced it would give incredible teeth to government officials to pursue spammers ("This one pill can cause you to loose 100 pounds in 10 seconds"...), late night informercials ("Buy my pyramid scheme and make millions"...), and the ubiquitous misleading internet ad ("free *** just for trying our crappy service, *** for *** time period"...).
How I wish and hope that the BBB gets even more pissed off!
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by Anonymous Coward on Jun 21st, 2006 @ 5:25am
Now if they could force car dealers to slow down that guy that speed talks at the end of car commercials...
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Cingular has by Fewest Dropped Calls?!? on Jun 21st, 2006 @ 6:04am
BS!
And IF they do have the fewest I feel REALLY bad for those of you who don't have Cingular. As it is now, I need to keep each call under about 30 seconds or their network will happily end the call for me and still charge me for the whole minute.
What a scam.
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Re: Why is this so silly? by NSMike on Jun 21st, 2006 @ 6:17am
I can think of about 150 more important issues our courts could be dealing with besides this.
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by Andrew Strasser on Jun 21st, 2006 @ 6:42am
Only a hundred and fifty things rank higher on our nations monetary scale than this. People really are narrow sighted. I can think of thousands of things to do with the money wasted on this. I also think Cingular should have to pick up the tab for the market research the BBB had to do for them. Seeing as not all of the advertisements were valid it's their baby to pay for.
Ridiculous as we think of paying people to starve the world everyday as well through tenure.
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Re: Oh Yeah by Ryan on Jun 21st, 2006 @ 6:43am
It's a Crapshoot.
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fewest droped anvils by Daryl Licked on Jun 21st, 2006 @ 6:45am
we in california have found cingulars secret. they have the fewest dropped calls because, if your signal strenth isnt full bars, the call doesnt get through to begin with. usualy it takes 2 or 3 tries to even get the recievers phone to ring.
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Trees will be our downfall... by Anonymous Coward on Jun 21st, 2006 @ 7:53am
Here in Indiana, Indianapolis has the best signal strength. Unfortunately for the other 85% of the population, it's a crap shoot.
I was having signal problems and dropped call problems so I went into ask the knowledgeable Cingular staff at our local store.
Their question, "Do you have any trees in your yard?"
Response, "A couple."
Their response, "Well we have see some phones have trouble around trees. If you can find a place in your house that doesn't have a tree near by."
My response, "OK... Bye bye, Cingular. Can you hear me now?"
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fewest dropped calls? by Tony on Jun 21st, 2006 @ 8:07am
ok, i beLIEve it! IF i can connect a call it usually holds up. IF i can connect. i'm in annapolis,md. capital of md, situated between washington, dc, and baltimore, md. can you explain to me why cingular still sucks in this area?
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What... by SortaLikeJake on Jun 21st, 2006 @ 8:10am
neither was vying for the "least shitty service available for your money" title? How odd.
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BBB for business only by kevin on Jun 21st, 2006 @ 8:12am
To bad the BBB only works for business. I needed their help, but they really only support the telcos, treated me like a crook refused to look at facts and only sided with the business. After being shown the facts, refused to respond, lackeys for the business community. Worthless for the comsumer, don't bother.
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I HAVE NO PROBLEM by JerseyRich on Jun 21st, 2006 @ 8:12am
..with the BBB helping to decide what claims the carriers can make.
But advertising is advertising.
Aren't we used to the trumped-up claims of advertisers? Do we really believe anyone when they say they have the BEST service, the BEST price, the BEST quality?
I take all claims with a grain of salt, and I decide for myself.
Anyway, each carrier will work "BEST" for different people.
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by willy nilly on Jun 21st, 2006 @ 8:33am
all cel companies and banks are guilty of finding the thing they do the worst ...or that their customer base hates the most...then exploiting that against the "other guys" in their commercials. think of every bank commercial or cel commercial you see (can you hear me now?) cel companies are responding with marketing when they should be fixing the problem. fsck.
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Re: Cingular has by Mikhail on Jun 21st, 2006 @ 8:57am
I am definitely not supporting any carrier, but did you know that if you are actually dropped from a call, you can simply call your provider and you should not be charged for that call at all? While most people don't bother with this, if it's a serious enough issue to complain about, perhaps you should bother to call; or perhaps you should bother to look into other service.
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most dropped calls... by Mikhail on Jun 21st, 2006 @ 9:00am
and yes, cingular does suck. I have to say that I had cingular several years ago and was pleased, then we switched to Verizon and I definitely didn't notice any dramatic change to better or worse service. However, when I recently got a company cell phone, back with Cingular, I have come to the conclusion that Cingular now sucks.
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by anonymous coward on Jun 21st, 2006 @ 9:40am
how about, "the company that will fuck you over the least if you decide to change to another provider in six months..."
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Re: Re: Why is this so silly? by Tyshaun on Jun 21st, 2006 @ 9:54am
Of course, so could I, but that's why we have more than one "court". Fortunately we don't prioritize issues and deal with them in a serial fashion, the court allows for dealing with things in parallel, often times with varying degrees of importance, and that's a good thing for overall quality of life (No, it isn't a major thing the neighbors kid broke your windows, but you at least have the option of small claims court to get your money, and don't have to be filed behind every single murder trial!)
I guess I think this would be a great thing to pursue because I often link misleading avertisers to fraud, identity theft, and things like that. I would also like to think that someone is out there checking the validity of product claims so that people who may not have the resources or ability to thoroughly research it themselves have some degree of confidence in their purchases. I always think of some grandma out there trying to buy a car or something. Perhaps they aren't savvy enough to do a good web research job. I would hope that organizations like BBB would be around to offer unbiased recommendations based on their research efforts. Isn't that what BBB was created for, partly?
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sweet by jeff on Jun 21st, 2006 @ 12:35pm
now we can all get back to the playground. i got dibbs on the monkeybars.
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by derfaust on Jun 21st, 2006 @ 3:54pm
They ALL blow!!!......and then hand us the bill......
bang....boom....pow!
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Re: Re: Cingular has by D Saylor on Jun 27th, 2006 @ 3:58pm
Oddly enough, I DID call cingular to be credited for not one, but many dropped calls. Know what happened? After waiting on hold for many minutes, and finally reaching the live person... the call got dropped. How's THAT for frustration?
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Re: fewest droped anvils by Ginger Crafton on Jun 28th, 2006 @ 8:20am
Have you ever heard of spell-check?
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circuit city scam by GEORGE on Oct 19th, 2006 @ 9:51am
I applied for a job at circuit city.com thru yahoo.hotjobs.com and now i receive circuitcity email advertisements at least twice a day. But if i block their address, what happens if they send me an email with a job offer? and how come they don't have an "unsubscribe" option like everyone else is required to??? huh? huh?
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Alternative to BBB? by NinjaKid_NY on Apr 17th, 2007 @ 4:42pm
There's a site called SpeedyWord (http://www.SpeedyWord.com/) that seems to have an interesting spin to this BBB issue. Like eBay feedbacks + yellowpages combined... and you can ask for referrals for things like nannies. Internet is indeed the great equalizer.
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