Oh Look, The More Hollywood Attacks, The Further Underground File Sharing Goes
from the nice-work,-guys dept
Ever since the RIAA went after the original Napster, plenty of people have suggested that the strategy could only backfire. The more they try to shut down popular services or sue individuals, the more it just pushes those services underground where it's even more difficult for the RIAA to keep attacking. At the same time, it builds up even more anger at the traditional entertainment industry. From the beginning, they could have learned to embrace file sharing as a promotional tool, recognizing that an awful lot of people were giving them market research data on how they wanted to interact with content online. Instead, they keep suing and looking bad, which doesn't seem to have much strategic value. And, in response, the thing they're trying to stop keeps getting bigger while going further underground. The latest is that the Pirate Party of Sweden is offering up a commercial internet service that includes anonymous usage, which they claim will make it nearly impossible for the industry to accuse users of file sharing. Remember, the Pirate Party became a widely known effort only after the entertainment industry tried (and failed) to shut down The Pirate Bay, helping to drive their traffic through the roof. While the group is a bit over the top in their methods, whether or not you agree with their general position, it should have been clear ages ago that this was where things would eventually head. The industry had a chance to embrace this stuff ages ago, but with each passing bad decision, they simply make things more difficult for themselves.
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I wonder how long it will be
Before the "protect the children" politicians decide that this "anonymous coward"' webhosting could be used by terrorists to hurt the children, and enacts legislation to border-block all the IPs of countries that have not signed treaties requiring everyone keeo full logs of all usage and turn them over to each other at the mere passing whim and fancy...
Well, our gov't is slow (speaking for US here, well, not speaking FOR the us.. but.. er.. hopefully you get the point), so it will be at least a year or two.
But I have no doubt that its coming.
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Re: I wonder how long it will be
yea right... the backlash they'd get for that would be too much even for our government... I can already hear the free speech people getting their throats moist to shout out at the mere posting of this idea...
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Stop telling the Entertainment industry what to do, they have a right to defend their property.
Please sharing are breaking the law and should be pushed underground, they're going to hell.
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Good thing hell doesn't exist for me... sounds like a pretty horrible place that a pretty sick, twisted, malevolent god created... oh, and underground would be bad for the entertainment industry, far worse indeed... secretive action is far more dangerous than transparent action.
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Stop telling the Entertainment industry what to do, they have a right to defend their property.
Oh, I see. And we don't have the right to tell them it's a strategic disaster?
Funny how that works...
Yes, of course they have the right to defend their property. Our point, as we've said repeatedly, isn't to defend piracy, but to point out how the industry has been making things WORSE for themselves.
And, for trying to help, we get yelled at? Oh well...
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Wow
Please sharing are breaking the law and should be pushed underground, they're going to hell.
I missed that part of the Bible. It seems to me that the story of Jesus taking one piece of bread and turning it into thousands has a remarkable similarity to file-sharing.
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Sharing Content you've got the right to share is neither Illigal or wrong.
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Excellent post Mike
You guys are hosers. How do bring friggin' hell and the bible into this? The original post here, by Mike is right on. he's simply pointing out that the music industry had an excellent opportunity to make something out of this (Internet, file sharting, etc etc) but they didn't it. they instead looied for short term results which has pushed the "players" underground. Bully for them!
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Illegal??
There exists no such thing as an "illegal file" or "illegal download"
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re:illegal
Well, technically there is. Child pr0n images would be an illegal download, and an illegal file. So :P
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Told ya
Technology wins!
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Re: Wow
Here is one of many that you missed:
Revelation 20:15
If anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
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Re: Illegal??
And you're getting your facts from where? Your ass? No wonder they stink. Along with what the poster above mentioned, cracked software is illegal. The crack itself isn't legal however, altering your software is and once it's used the altered software is then illegal.
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Re: Wow
"It seems to me that the story of Jesus taking one piece of bread and turning it into thousands has a remarkable similarity to file-sharing."
But did you read about what they did to him for it?
I guess we should say we get off easy, what with only getting a civil lawsuit out of it.
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so what's the best program out there right now to download music for free without getting in trouble? :p
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GAWD
I don't want to hear any more of this nonsense.. God is, by very definition, a white christian american republican...and if you're not, then you are going to hell. hallaluja brother Bush..bring it on..just bring it on...
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Flamebaiter; don't you have a kindergarden class to attend?
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This is one Troll...
...that I'm not going to feed :)
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YUP
heehee nice try, YUP.. i know a chat room where like ever 30 minutes a mod will say,"who's 15 in here?" and guys will go to telling him.. haha.. then he bans them. you want us to tell you our sites so u can report us to the thought police. nice try indeed.. I'll bet youre really with homeland security.. well, im a loyal citizen.. long live Kommander Bush.
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GAWD
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NOOOOOOOOOOOO
omg you morons thought i was serious. this is sad.
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Re: YUP
haha! funny rant. actually i'm just ur average joe who's scared to d/l music without paying $1 per song, which i don't have the money for when you want as much music as i do. :O
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WE SHARED A MP3! WE'RE ALL GOING TO HELL!
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Re: Illegal??
Sure there does. Don't misinterpret illegal for right or moral. They are VERY different things. Just because something is illegal doesn't mean that the law stating such is a good law - but it still exists.
In this case, IMHO, any law stating that a 1-to-1 electronic copy of a file is illegal should be considered unethical and uninforcable.
The difference between IP infringement and stealing. IP infringement is NOT stealing - although it is still illegal.
IMHO per-use or specific-use licenses for software or any electronic media is bullshit. Once someone purchases the right to listen to music, for example, we should retain that right to listen to that music anytime, anywhere and on any device we choose - those who say we should not are money-grubbing scourge which should be tworn in two.
Good day ;o}
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Re: Whose Property
The artists create the music, the recording companies steal it from them. Then claim to own it, although they did not create it, and then try to claim that everyone else is stealing it from them.
So who owns music again, the artists, or the recording companies? Most households now have adequate recording equipment, (digital media) and the service of recording and packaging music is no longer needed, so the recording company business model is obsolete.
Anyone could actually buy and record music directly from the artists, and cut out the "middle man" who now adds no value, since recording capability of that quality is now common place.
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> WE SHARED A MP3! WE'RE ALL GOING TO HELL!
Please don't feed the troll.
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His Handle was Bob Jones.
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But...
I was always taught that sharing was good. Share your toys, your candy, etc...but evidently not your music.
Just recently Metallica made their music available for download on iTunes, with incentives being new material and un-released songs. After the big stink those money hungry idiots made about file sharing, I wouldn't even consider buying any of their music. That's how I feel about the RIAA. It used to be that I might buy an album if I really liked the music (Back in Black anyone?), but now, I wouldn't buy it at all. The RIAA didn't get much money from me anyway, but now they'll get none of it. One day they'll fall, and it'll be glorious.
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Internet only serves democracy
File sharing has grown because people like it. Recording companies have decreased because people don't like them (original CDs/software/etc is very expensive compared to the cost of production they have). So Internet is only speeding up democracy and recording companies are losing in the natural selection game...
It's fredom, it's capitalism, it's evolution, it's natural selection, it's too perfect for the governement to let it be!
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Re: I wonder how long it will be
China Anyone?
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Also
Before i forget. NOFX - Dinosaurs will Die
Great song, nicely related.
The whole OMGZOR filesharing, copyright, patent ect show is just a last ditch attempt by the Dinosaurs of old to try and protect their aging business model. Instead of innovating, embracing the new generation of music and distribution they are crushing it under their feet. One day though, they will stomp so heavily on something that the ground will crack beneath their feet and they will be gone.
Hmm this post sounds like i am on something, it just turned into one large extended metaphore.
There are correlations with the Games industry, steam for example, great, innovative. The thing with the Core of the gaming community is with savvy users who know their stuff, they will notice something like Steam when it comes along and embrace it. The problem with the Music Industry is Joe Common doesnt realise when he is being ripped off and doesnt seem to care, so when new things such as filesharing comes along they dont jump on.
There is more than one guilty party here.
The general public is as much to blame as the record companys because they are happy going about their lives without standing up and saying "No, this isnt right, Im not buying your DRM'd shit anymore" en mass.
The Artists dont realise that there is a huge and viable business model for themselves out there which could lead to much bigger profits for themselves.
And the demon itself the recording studios, aka the RIAA, aka, the Government (Hey they might as well be one political party these days, they are all in bed together). They just generally suck.
Well theres my rant.
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Piracy kills business!
When you pirate software developers won't want to make new versions or sequels! Oh noes! We've destroyed the world of computers!
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9045861006530293045
Haha, I'm bittorrenting about half a dozen files right now.
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Re: Re: I wonder how long it will be
Good point. If any idiot politician decides to pull a stunt like the one mentioned above, we'll sback hand them into submission by saying it's something that those dirty red commies in China do.
They'll back off quick, I guarantee it.
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Movies
I myself Download movies and anime offline some of you may have heard of full metal Alchmist i have all 50 Epidssodes that i've downloaded Leagaly the way it works is i go to animesuki.com where they host torrents only too anime witch has No Copyrights in the USA Ycet as soon as it does they take the torrents down another place i like to Download movies is off Usenet it's greeat today alone i've got 5 DVD's and you bet im goiong to get more
what i think the industry should do iot'sself is say hazy this is not working letrs use Bit torrent to Distribute DVD's with Dedicated High outboud trafic and useing everyone helping them to Upload it to others when a DVD comes out now that most ppl have a DVD recoder now this would not be without it's Flaws but im sure if they throw all the money at those probloms that they are thowing away on the damn lawyers they could solve them very easily usenet they could do the same thing have a newsgroup that your self signed into and payed per download Screw Pay per View PPD is what needs to happen
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Re: Movies
BTW to those who im sure might say it i know im going to hell i have no illusions about it
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Looking back...
Man, I remember a few years back during the Napster days and 56k; downloading songs in an hour if you're lucky. And then came Broadband internet, and I knew right off the bat it was a sign of a revolution, an Information Revolution.
The technology is moving at an incredible pace, and laws and the government can not keep up. I must agree, they had a golden opportunity, not to capitalize, but for damage control and they did not take it. Instead they chose to fan the flames via law suits and legislation.
There's no way they can say they didn't see this storm coming. If a lazy punk high schooler who slept through most of it realized it, their Ivy brain trust should of telegraph it a country mile away.
Computer savy generation + affordable technology = bad news RIAA. It's the Snowball effect, it's rolling and I don't even think God himself can stop it.
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so intresting this is...
First time I have ever seen such passion rolled up into, electricity.
For the Christians..Christ says it is not sin to disobey the law of the land, HOWEVER, if you are caught God will not bail you out of jail. So dont cry if you get caught.
57 "Why don't you judge for yourselves what is right? 58 As you are going with your adversary to the magistrate, try hard to be reconciled to him on the way, or he may drag you off to the judge, and the judge turn you over to the officer, and the officer throw you into prison. 59 I tell you, you will not get out until you have paid the last penny.
As far as a worldly view. I agree with the thought that the Record compaines should embrace filesharing, which seems like an illogical business model in the short term, but in the long term I believe it will be to there advantage.
PS I really liked the the comparrison with the Lord multipling the fish without buying them, but In a sense this is not a valid comparrison for a couple of reasons.
1. Christ through division not addition.
6:41 And when he had taken the five loaves and the two fishes, he looked up to heaven, and blessed, and brake the loaves, and gave them to his disciples to set before them; and the two fishes divided he among them all.
meaning man can only add(copy) things together and come up with something new(copy). God can divide things from the orginal and come up with the same thing. Humans cannot do this.
Example if you divide a 1.4 mb file in 1/5th portions the file will not work because it is missing part of the file.
2. The only reason God done this is to glorify his Son...not to feed the people. The people should have used a bit of sense and brought a bag lunch. I would think if you go into the wilderness and there are no Resturants around you might think to bring food. So gives the feeling they were allowed to forget So God could glorify Christ.
Share the freedom of peace and give the sound of love and you will know truth --mhorizon
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so intresting this is...
First time I have ever seen such passion rolled up into, electricity.
For the Christians..Christ says it is not sin to disobey the law of the land, HOWEVER, if you are caught God will not bail you out of jail. So dont cry if you get caught.
57 "Why don't you judge for yourselves what is right? 58 As you are going with your adversary to the magistrate, try hard to be reconciled to him on the way, or he may drag you off to the judge, and the judge turn you over to the officer, and the officer throw you into prison. 59 I tell you, you will not get out until you have paid the last penny.
As far as a worldly view. I agree with the thought that the Record compaines should embrace filesharing, which seems like an illogical business model in the short term, but in the long term I believe it will be to there advantage.
PS I really liked the the comparrison with the Lord multipling the fish without buying them, but In a sense this is not a valid comparrison for a couple of reasons.
1. Christ through division not addition.
6:41 And when he had taken the five loaves and the two fishes, he looked up to heaven, and blessed, and brake the loaves, and gave them to his disciples to set before them; and the two fishes divided he among them all.
meaning man can only add(copy) things together and come up with something new(copy). God can divide things from the orginal and come up with the same thing. Humans cannot do this.
Example if you divide a 1.4 mb file in 1/5th portions the file will not work because it is missing part of the file.
2. The only reason God done this is to glorify his Son...not to feed the people. The people should have used a bit of sense and brought a bag lunch. I would think if you go into the wilderness and there are no Resturants around you might think to bring food. So gives the feeling they were allowed to forget So God could glorify Christ.
Share the freedom of peace and give the sound of love and you will know truth --mhorizon
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Re: so interesting this is
you've apparently never heard of parity files... man is well within this capability in the digital age :)
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Copyright
Copyright didn't exist previous to an attempt on the part of American lawmakers to kickstart innovation. The hope was that if they dangled a carrot in front of people for a while, they'd get some results. They did -- they got a bunch of people who wanted more carrots.
Copyright was a nice scam while it was legal and profitable. Now, however, it's merely legal.
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Hi. Are you retarded or simply delusional?
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The bible: A nice piece of fiction, but I wouldn't want to live my life by it...
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The entertainment industry seems to only know "lawsuits" as the only thing to protect them from piracy. I think that there are other ways to protect their own without subjecting to this kind of action.
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File Sharing
What say if someone used msn radio,then added in replay music,and Sat tv and recorded all that music to their H/D,listened to it every day ,but never shared it with anyone,would that be Illegal?Or bought music from allofmp3.com at less than a penny a meg,entire cd's for a buck,is that Illegal?,Now remember they are not sharing,this is for their own listening.....
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parity files..
really? thats awesome..so if parity files are like that why are not all files like this..so when i download files and i dont get all the file it will still work.
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parity files..
really? thats awesome..so if parity files are like that why are not all files like this..so when i download files and i dont get all the file it will still work.
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"they have a right to defend their property."
So do I.
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The Artists _do_ realize that they can reach out to their audience directly. And we're trying. Even some smaller labels (the non "big five"..er..four now...soon to be three) have figured this out and are doing their best to market to the internet.
Support 'em. _Buy_ a copy of their music, FFS. _Then_, if the artists are smart enough, they'll give ya permission to file share to your heart's content.
But somebody has to buy the first copy, or the artist has to go eat more Ramen.
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This sounds great but I'd rather have something that encrypts my traffic rather than anonymize it so my ISP doesn' know what I'm doing.
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I love peanuts
By decree I command that ye share files ye unholy negros.
GO FORTH.
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What the hell ppl should have the right to file share
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What the hell ppl should have the right to file share
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