Cops Who Started 'Hackers Are Us' Service Convicted
from the no-surprise-there dept
A few months back we wrote about a private investigation firm in the UK that had a separate "computer hacking" division called "Hackers Are Us." It seemed like the sort of thing that you wouldn't necessarily want to name a company that clearly was breaking computer fraud laws -- but no one ever said criminals were smart. A court has now convicted the two guys who set up the service... and it turns out that both were actually on the police force at the time (though one was on leave for depression). Yes, "Hackers Are Us," a private investigation firm that would illegally install keyloggers on anyone's computer was run by two moonlighting cops. For future reference, though, if you're setting up a business to do illegal stuff, it's probably not a good idea to advertise it in your name. It may help for marketing purposes, initially, but sooner or later it seems likely to come back to bite you.
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organized crime
In Texas we make the Narcotics Officers wear badges, even undercover...or else they sell to each other. the Police are the ones who make Organized Crime seem organized. jesus...
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ROTFLMAO.
Oh, God, I can't think of anything to say.... The story speaks for itself. =)
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Re: organized crime
Folks, I've lived in Texas all my life and have known more than one narcotics officer. Let me tell you, charlie potatoes is full of it.
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Tex: the name says it all...
You likely think Bush is a Texan. What can I say? I was joking, but in all seriousness, you Neocon Bubbas have pretty much ruined Texas. You and the Republican leadership have given us third rate schools and Mississippi highways...except for the toll roads which you're building and assigning to the corportions to run. You've taken your scam lottery game and sucked all the profits out and now are trying to sell it to private industry. When you get your carpet bags full you can move on up to Connecticut or Maine where hopefully DimeBag Bush will retire to.
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It might help if people would stop confusing the terms hacker and cracker. For guys who spend as much time trying to highlight the fine distinctions between innovation and invention, and the music industry vs. the recording industry (just to give two examples), I'd expect this site, more than most, to understand the fine distinction between the two. You could always argue that common culture has made the cracker/hacker terms largely synonymous, but that sort of contradicts, to some extent, the arguments you've been making in the previous two examples for ages.
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Re: organized crime
If they're all wearing badges, how do they catch people selling drugs? I wouldn't sell to anyone with a badge, but maybe you don't see anything wrong with that.
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The distinction between the two terms is dumb. Cracker= bad guy who illegally accesses a program or network. Hacker= a clever programmer (not a bad guy) who enters circumvents a security, often as a way to improve or find holes in a security system.
The distinction was artificially created as a way to "redefine" the term hacker as something more positive. The actual community of hackers does not really embrace the stupid distinction. The term 'hacker' has an undeniably negative connotation that cannot be taken away by trying to change the definition.
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Meaning of 'Hacker'
Actually, freddy, the positive definition of the word hacker predated the negative one. However, when the media stated reporting on stories where a computer expert, or 'hacker', broke into a system, people misunderstood the term, and the new meaning stuck.
I personally would love to see a return of the original, positive meaning of hacker, but doubt it will ever happen. Language is a dynamic thing. If the bulk of users think a word has a certain definition, then it does, regardless or it's original meaning. 'Nice' used to mean "foolish, stupid, or senseless" in the late 1200's; it meant "precise or exact" in the 1500's, and changed to "kind or thoughtful" by the mid-1800's.
Probably in 500 years, hacker will mean someone that plays flute, or some-such.
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So I guess........
I should change the name of my business from "Smoke 'N Toke" to something else?
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Re: So I guess........
I submit "Smokin' Coke"
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Perhaps "Crackers R Us" would have been more the correct term. Then Nabisco would sue. Smart move, how about they go from "HAU" to "We were hackers". Most likely, they had no clue anyway. A five year old could install a key logger or do much of what they claimed was hacking anyway. As the term goes, no, hacking was not a bad term when started. Matter of fact still to this day,if you go on Cisco "Not Crisco", you will see hackers' comments and they will fix issues due to them. They are more welcome than you think. The two yahoos claiming to be hackers probably couldn't use a root kit tool. How smart can you be naming a business that anyway? No wonder one is depressed.
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Re: Tex: the name says it all...
bonehead
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Re: Tex: the name says it all...
testy much?
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Re: Meaning of 'Hacker'
I shall bake a cake for you with my 1337 hax0r skillz.
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Which these guys were neither. Right? Social Engineering I could see, but not hacking or cracking. But then again, the article didnt really explain it either.
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Re: Tex: the name says it all...
Yeah, but still "hacker" sounds better to everyone else.
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asdsdfs
"CUNTS ARE US" die dumb fuckers
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Interesting Article
I cordially invite you to check out my website - Rent-A-Hitman.com and let me know what you think about it.
It is similar in nature to this article --- minus the cop part.
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Re: Re: Tex: the name says it all...
All Crackers are Hackers.
But not all Hackers are Crackers.
Crackers = Hackers;
Hackers != Crackers
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%aol = getwindow("AOL_Frame25", 0)
sike...
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Who really cares.....
about two people whether they are cops or not. Maybe the UK should use them to crack an hack into there politicians computers an see how corrupt they are. Then they should do the same here in the states. Basically LETS CLEAN OUT THE SH!T an get a whole new government, starting with the House of Reps, then the Senate. I'm tired of reading about the little man getting caught an being punished. If a politician created the website the monster would get free campaign advertising, an the politican in charge would get support. In the rare occassion he/she could'nt pay anyone off under the table, then they'd get a smack on the wrist by the speaker of the house, an it'd go like this.... "Bad politician, very bad, I cant believe you did this, how about you revise your idea an get back to me on how we can make a profit"... doh!
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I would vote for "script kiddie"
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Texas HAS been ruined by conservatives. Bunch of Nazi's that came down from the Northeast in the 30's and 40's cause they thought they could make more money out west in oil. I'm 6th generation Texan... yes, back to the republic, and I'm more sick of retarded Kenebunkport cowbows than anyone, including Cindy Sheehan.
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Re: Tex: the name says it all...
For the record the Texas Lottery was a Demoncrat/Libs scam, the "neocons" fought against it.
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No, the NeoCon-Men turned it into a scam and now want to privatize it. Ann Richards and Molly Ivins, now those were real Texans.
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hackers
Just to throw this out there, but I think one of the original definitions for 'hacker' had nothing at all to do with computers. If memory serves, hackers and typists were synonymous early on, before personal computers were on the market. But then, again, 'gay' used to mean happy.
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just shut the fuck up about hacker vs cracker already. "Hacker" has been hijacked, move on with your life.
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Re: Tex: the name says it all...
charlie potatoes,
Oh yeah, sure you were. But in that case then, so was I.If you somehow think that you can divine my political leanings from what I wrote you must really be nuts. Spuds for brains?
You almost make me ashamed to be anti-bush. But maybe you're actually a neocon troll masquerading as some kind of anti-bush idiot and make the rest look bad by association.
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Maybe im missing something here, but....
..so what if they privatize the lotto? Or the toll roads? Is this supposed to be bad? I think you could find plenty of folks that arent corporate shills who don't mind the idea.
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ann richards
ann richards was cool--she was the embodiment of texas ideals in her time.
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Re: ann richards
It might help if people would stop confusing the terms hacker and cracker. For guys who spend as much time trying to highlight the fine distinctions between innovation and invention, and the music industry vs. the recording industry (just to give two examples), I'd expect this site, more than most, to understand the fine distinction between the two. You could always argue that common culture has made the cracker/hacker terms largely laptop AC adapters synonymous, but that sort of contradicts, to some extent, the arguments you've been making in the previous two examples for ages.
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Thanks for the post...As a private investigator on long island, its very important to know the laws. The 'information business' has a lot of gray areas. People should seek out answers for matters they aren't sure about.
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