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by Mike Masnick


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germany, pirate party, skype, tapping, whistelblower



German Authorities Raiding Homes To Find Skype Tapping Whistleblower

from the drawing-more-attention... dept

Apparently a whistleblower recently leaked some evidence that German authorities were using a special trojan horse software to tap Skype audio conversations. The document detailing this was leaked to the German Pirate Party, one of many international "Pirate Parties" that have been formed in recent years to push for more reasonable government policies on a variety of fronts from intellectual property to privacy and government surveillance. Illegally tapping Skype conversations may be illegal, but it seems that German authorities are a lot more interested in tracking down who leaked the documents and have raided the homes of various German Pirate Party members, confiscating computer equipment. Of course, if anything, this would seem to confirm that the government was at least experimenting with, if not actively using, such a trojan horse wiretapping program -- and the raids have only served to generate much more attention over that fact.

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  1. Sep 18th, 2008 @ 5:02am

    And "they" say...

    by DS78

    that democracy is dead.

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  2. Sep 18th, 2008 @ 5:12am

    Ahem

    by Shohat

    These are not global/randomly installed Trojan horses to wiretap civilians. Germany isn't exactly the US.
    The THs were used just like regular "bugs" and wiretapping is used to gather evidence on suspected criminals. Not nescesarily illegal or evil or Big brother thing.

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  3. Sep 18th, 2008 @ 5:18am

    Re: Ahem

    by inc

    ya, the Germans are still keeping their illegal wiretapping secret. While in the U.S. they keep telling you it's legal.

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  4. Sep 18th, 2008 @ 5:25am

    Re: Ahem

    by icon MadJo (profile)

    The goal justifies the means?
    I think not.
    Illegal == illegal.

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  5. Sep 18th, 2008 @ 6:17am
    by Overcast

    The THs were used just like regular "bugs" and wiretapping is used to gather evidence on suspected criminals. Not nescesarily illegal or evil or Big brother thing.


    And if the laws change and other things become illegal - well, you may find that you are a criminal as well. Heck, in the 40's in Germany, it was illegal to marry a Jew.

    Just stating a fact, that's all.

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  6. Sep 18th, 2008 @ 6:27am

    To Overcast

    by Shohat

    Your statement will remain true regardless of what is the subject. I agree with it globally, but it is not relevant to ANY subject.

    You might as well say it about prisons, the codex of laws, etc...

    If one day farting is outlawed, you might find yourself in prison for farting. Doesn't mean we should abolish prisons now.

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  7. Sep 18th, 2008 @ 6:27am

    Mikey for Pirate Party Leader !

    by angry dude

    Seriously, sounds like a good start of a political career for Mikey
    Hey, Mikey can even run for Prez as a party leader and get support from all those techdirt lemming punks

    Mikey for Prez !

    (reply to this comment) (link to this comment)

  8. Sep 18th, 2008 @ 6:40am

    Re: Mikey for Pirate Party Leader !

    by Anonymous Coward

    Hey Angry Dude,
    You're that NeoconBushSupporter dude aren't ya ?

    (reply to this comment) (link to this comment)

  9. Sep 18th, 2008 @ 6:47am

    WireTapping

    by Don

    Government by it's nature will always push for more control. If we don't push back constantly we, the public, will be 'regulated' and 'securitized' until we can not move. The congress passed 3211 laws in the last session, which one are you breaking right now?

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  10. Sep 18th, 2008 @ 7:05am

    Sounds like...

    by Brandon

    Someone was running Windows...

    (reply to this comment) (link to this comment)

  11. Sep 18th, 2008 @ 7:28am

    Re: Re: Mikey for Pirate Party Leader !

    by *angry dude

    Please don't reply to my rant script, I know at times it may appear intelligent, but in reality it could never pass the Turing test.

    (reply to this comment) (link to this comment)

  12. Sep 18th, 2008 @ 10:20am

    I just want to know

    by NeoConBushSupporter

    Do the german officials paint anything on the doors of these "Pirate Party" members before they barge in and take thier property? You know, some kind of symbol, so that everyone will know what type of person lives there?


    VOTE McCain 2008 - Change your familiar with.

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  13. Sep 18th, 2008 @ 1:23pm

    I think you misunderstand

    by dave

    This article is about the German gov't searching for the person who 'outed' their capability of wiretapping Skype calls. It's not about something truly confidential, such as the gov't wiretapping person A, but that they actually could wiretap Skype calls now, as well as regular hardwired phones and cell phones.

    This is a "we must find and shoot the messenger to dissuade others from being messengers in the future" type of thing.

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  14. Sep 19th, 2008 @ 5:52am

    skype

    by bikey

    What's interesting about this is that the link between IP (i.e. industrial countries' last link to the world economy, especially now that the financial services sector has collapsed) and illegal government (increasingly doing the IP industry's dirty work) surveillance is finally becoming clear. How and why they get to your computer, and what they are bound to find there (infringement of someone's IP no matter who you are) should frighten everyone with a pulse.

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  15. Jan 15th, 2009 @ 5:33pm
    by ruined

    So much for that democracy

    (reply to this comment) (link to this comment)

  16. Jan 23rd, 2009 @ 4:54am

    They may be collecting names of Israel-supporters

    by Henrik R Clausen

    An unsourced contact told me that the German police is also collecting names, email addresses etc. of people who sign pro-Israel petitions on the Internet.

    Now tell me how that, in essense, differs from German police collecting information on people doing business with Jews in the 1930's?

    But I'm glad to see that Skype encryption as such apparently has not been compromised.

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  17. Feb 12th, 2009 @ 9:10am
    by David

    So... is your "UNSOURCED" contact a 10 year old prankster boy? Or was it a 64 year old retired man with too much free time printing conspiracy theories?

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  18. Feb 24th, 2009 @ 2:37am

    Re: conspiracy theory

    by Sacha

    I'ld bet on the 10 year old. Conspiracy theories usually don't support the idea that Jews may be victims. They make sure Jews are victims in the end.

    (reply to this comment) (link to this comment)

  19. Mar 6th, 2009 @ 2:13am

    Real Estate Search

    by Sydney

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  20. Mar 6th, 2009 @ 2:15am

    Real Estate Search

    by Sydney

    Yeah, really good! I am totally agreed with this article it's a good time to purchase a home because the recession period is going on and the rates of a house is little bit low so we can say that it's a real time and the property sellers are also hunger for selling so i think we should not miss the best opportunity. This article is about the German gov't searching for the person who 'outed' their capability of wiretapping Skype calls. It's not about something truly confidential, such as the gov't wiretapping person A, but that they actually could wiretap Skype calls now, as well as regular hardwired phones and cell phones. I won't miss this better opportunity. Great post i look forward to reading more! Sydney Real Estate Search

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  21. Mar 6th, 2009 @ 2:16am

    Re: Real Estate Search

    by Sydney

    Yeah, really good! I am totally agreed with this article it's a good time to purchase a home because the recession period is going on and the rates of a house is little bit low so we can say that it's a real time and the property sellers are also hunger for selling so i think we should not miss the best opportunity. This article is about the German gov't searching for the person who 'outed' their capability of wiretapping Skype calls. It's not about something truly confidential, such as the gov't wiretapping person A, but that they actually could wiretap Skype calls now, as well as regular hardwired phones and cell phones.
    I won't miss this better opportunity. Great post i look forward to reading more!

    Sydney
    Real Estate Search

    (reply to this comment) (link to this comment)

  22. Mar 15th, 2009 @ 4:41am
    by foobar

    skype should provide 1024 bit RSA/PGP encryption, and then who cares about a wiretap?

    (reply to this comment) (link to this comment)

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