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Developers Looking To Set Up App Store Alternatives On The iPhone
from the competition-is-good dept
We all know about the somewhat "benevolent dictatorship" position that Apple holds concerning its iPhone App Store -- at times arbitrarily banning apps from the store. This has (reasonably) upset some, who feel that it's not particularly fair that Apple gets to decide what works and what doesn't -- and now a few are even looking to set up alternative app stores, though they'll only work on jailbroken iPhones. The article speculates on whether or not Apple will send its lawyers after these upstarts, noting Apple's decision to file a protest against an attempt to have the Library of Congress make clear that jailbreaking an iPhone does not violate the DMCA. However, if Apple is smart, it makes sense for them not to do so. After all, they make more money from each phone sold -- and increasing the value of the phones by allowing more apps to run on it should only help sell more of the devices.
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"benevolent dictatorship" ?. Actually it's just a dictatorship, please pay more attention.
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jail broken
the more phones jail broken with voided warranties the better for apple. They will just continue to release updates that will brick the phone resulting in more iphone sales
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Isn't going against this guy a case for a monopoly case? I mean, they're banning any way you can buy an iPhone app except for them.
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Walled gardens only reduce the value of the garden.
Apple has not yet realized that a walled garden does not make the flowers worth more.
They will.
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Re: Walled gardens only reduce the value of the garden.
""walled garden does not make the flowers worth more""
no, but it keeps the bugs and pests off your flowers and out of your garden!
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Re: Re: Walled gardens only reduce the value of the garden.
no, bugs and pests fly over the wall, dig underneath the wall, or burrow their way through the wall. Some of the bigger ones might break down the wall.
(Thank you Pink Floyd for the mental images I had while writing this comment)
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Apple will likely have to protect to some amount
Or they will get themselves in hot water. That "protection" may be as simple as sending notices to the new stores telling them that they have to post warnings that jailbreaking is not condoned and it will void your warranty .. it may also mean that Apple's lawyers may decide they have to aggressively target stopping these stores. Time will tell. Cydia is selling apps as of today.
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Jailbreak?
Technically you should be able to make an app store that works for even non-jailbroken iPhones. You can download apps through iTunes on your PC, then transfer them to your iPhone, right?
So that would mean that all of the information required to get an iPhone set up with an application is being passed across that little Apple sync cable. Set something up to monitor that, them write your own X-Tunes application to mimic it.
Not saying it's easy! Odds are info across the wire is mashed up and pretty hard to decipher, but it's technically doable.
The only backdoor would be Apple's ability to yank an app remotely if it is considered "dangerous".
You can also already do "ad-hoc" distribution of apps, but it requires you to send off some key information about your iphone to a third party that you may or may not really trust.
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Re: Re: Re: Walled gardens only reduce the value of the garden.
id say apples "wall" is well guarded, no bugs, or pests so far. hope they keep it that way
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Re: Re: Re: Walled gardens only reduce the value of the garden.
Yes but you will never ever get anything truly new. So innovation will never will come to your garden. Innovation comes from those people willing to try something that most people would think crazy. So those bugs and pests could create the next great Orchid.
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cydia?
how would a third party app store be different than cydia or installer? the only difference that i can think of is the payment process. currently, you download something from cydia, and then you have to pay through paypal and get a software key to ulock the app (or similar payment options), but the basic principle of getting an app that didn't come from the app store isn't anything new . . . am i missing something here?
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...... so well guarded that honeybees are prevented from pollinating. Those pretty flowers are going to wilt and die without producing any fruits.
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Re: cydia?
should have looked at the link first, but i'm still confused. cydia is a repository that you have on your iphone, and one of the new stores is the cydia store, which i'm guessing will have the same content, just provided online. in light of this . . . i still don't see how this is a big deal. no new apps will be available, and you still have to have a jailbroken iphone.
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"". so well guarded that honeybees are prevented from pollinating. ""
enough with the garden reference .. fact is people feel safe buying from apple, apple will not let apps with a virus or spyware on its store. no one knows anything about cydia except for the fact that you have to jailbreak your phone and void the phone warranty to use it, which already sounds shady.
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How is using the product you bought in the manner you so choose shady? All jailbreaking does is "unlock" the phone, which is whats done on all of the other phones that are out there, so that you aren't under the dictator's control over the product you bought and belongs to you. OMG! you said jailbreak! it must be BAaAd.... get a clue
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They're not targeting the average iPhone user. They're targeting the user who will jailbreak their phone and are probably smart enough to be careful about what they download.
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Jailbreaking is NOT unlocking. They are two different things.
Jailbreak - opens the OS for modification. I'm not sure what other phones have this.
Unlock - opens the baseband so that it can attach to any network.
Current iPhone 3Gs cannot be truly unlocked (there is a software one, but it doesn't alter the baseband).
Maybe you need a clue?
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Re: Re: cydia?
Cydia will allow developers to create apps that would never get approved by Apple. There are already paid apps on Cydia, but the payment process is similar to other phones - you pay the developer straight.
The Cydia Store follows the App Store model.
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swamped
As I understand, the current problem (and the main impetus for creating "competing" stores) is that Apple finds itself unable to keep up with all the applications. That's not an entirely bad problem to have.
At the same time, look at Google's Android. While it is supposedly much more 'open', they're still building a kill-switch into the official distribution channel, because not doing so could leave the devices too open to mal-ware. The point is that some level of control isn't necessarily a bad thing, even if Apple is more than a little heavy-handed in the application.
That said, an official "unofficial" store (if that makes any sense) would probably be a good thing. Apple promises users a certain level of quality for anything makes it to the official store. Developers get increased exposure. Users get access to more apps (if they're careful). Apple gets more money taking a cut from the sales of all those apps and the additional phones they'll say when they make the platform more valuable.
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"fact is people feel safe buying from apple"
Yes. So what? This tactic by apple is immoral. If I own the phone I should be able to do anything with it. Remember the antitrust tactics of MS. This is worse.
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Virus free, and worse.
My major fault with the appstore is that apple's API restricts developers in what they can do. That little Flashlight app you bought for $0.99? Yup, the API limits screen brightness, the jailbroken one is much brighter. Want pictures shown next to your contacts list? Not with their API. Want to change your background or icons? Ha! You wish.
Now, I haven't even got into their willy-nilly restrictions to competing apps. I don't even understand that, because I don't remember ever paying for mobile safari explicitly. So what if an app competes with software bundled with the phone.
Speaking of that, now that Cydia can allow apple delevopers to charge through itself, any banned apps should be easily ported to the cydia store and installed much the same way that cracked apps are now.
Finally, the apple warrenty is crappy at best, and I fail to see how changing the software of a device can/should void my right to get a broken button fixed. That notwithstanding, as the apps in the Cydia store get more and more useful (quickreply/landscape SMS is something apple should have thought of) then more and more people will jailbreak their phones, it's really quite easy, a few button presses and a 5 minute wait an you're done!
Don't even get me started on the crippled excuse of Bluetooth on the iPhone. No file transfer or *music* streaming? Really? No music streaming?
Rant over. :)
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And all using a lockpick on someone's front door do is unlock their door too. Not that I condone the practice, but it's you that needs to "get a clue".
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Re: jail broken
I have an original iPhone and it's been in jailbrake/unlocked mode since the day I got it. Never once bricked, stil lworks to this day. Get some facts first before posting.
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Monopoly and Racketeering ???
Is Apple in violation of Rico racketeering laws?
Is Apple behaving similar as Microsoft did with the IE-browser issue, that Apple does with the AppStore and restrictions on development of AppStore applications?
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