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by Mike Masnick


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Friends Don't Let Friends Use FCC Broadband Competition Data

from the amen dept

For many years, we've been among those (helped along by the usually excellent GAO) pointing out that the FCC's "broadband competition" stats were totally bogus. They relied on a rather bizarre way of counting competition. First, if a single household in an entire zipcode got broadband (er, actually not really broadband, but we'll get to that), then everyone in that zip code was counted. On top of that, the definition of broadband was ridiculously low. This has been known for years, and the FCC kept putting out the same bogus stats every years -- sometimes even admitting that it knew the stats were bogus, but it didn't have anything better. More recently, to its credit, the FCC is trying to get better about both how it defines broadband and how it counts things -- but that's just opened up opportunities for the telcos to simply tell the government what sort of coverage they offer, without having to reveal any actual data.

But, still, with the bogus FCC data out there, many folks are trying to claim that there's robust competition in broadband in the US. Thankfully, Julian Sanchez is pointing out that friends shouldn't let friends use FCC broadband data to discuss competition, and highlights the ridiculousness of the claim that 88% of zip codes have "four or more" broadband providers. It's even worse than Julian notes. While he points out that in many cases, some of the providers in question are mobile broadband providers offering up pokey EVDO connections, he neglects to mention that most of these connections cost a ton and come with ridiculously low usage caps -- such that they're not really broadband offerings at all. In fact, most 3G broadband data offerings have explicit limits in their contracts saying they cannot be used as primary broadband connections. But, it doesn't stop the same lobbyists who happen to be paid by the same telcos who make these policies from claiming that there's robust broadband competition.

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  1. Oct 12th, 2009 @ 10:29pm

    Choices, Oh the choices.

    by Como

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  2. Oct 12th, 2009 @ 10:36pm

    Choices, Oh the choices.

    by Como

    By the way the broadband availability is currently set up I would have 9 connections available at my house. But lets do the math.

    9 Choices -7(Wireless carriers) -1 (DSL Carrier,Too far from CO)=1 option.

    And they call my community well served with many choices.

    The way the definitions of "broadband" are set up now is ridiculous.

    Lets hope the FCC puts the ISPs in their place.

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  3. Oct 12th, 2009 @ 11:08pm

    Broadband? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

    Compared to Japan and Korea we feel cheated here, but my carrier here in Germany offers service from 18Mb/1Mb (€34/month) down to 6Mb/512Kb (€30/mo) including cheap-ass phone service. You simply can't get the crap speeds that the US has to settle for over here. The US carriers all rent-seek and price-fix through their oligarchies and monopolies, and they'll keep doing it until you stop putting up with it.

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  4. Oct 13th, 2009 @ 12:00am

    Re: Broadband? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

    by Luci

    My basic connection is 8Mbps ($45/mth), and I can get up to 25Mbps ($55/mth). So, you know, it isn't all US carriers. My carrier is Cablesystem, so it isn't just a little mom and pop company.

    Keep laughing, hambone.

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  5. Oct 13th, 2009 @ 2:00am

    FTC Disclosure

    by Rennie

    "...But, it doesn't stop the same lobbyists who happen to be paid by the same telcos who make these policies from claiming that there's robust broadband competition."

    Arn't these "lobbyists" now bound by disclosure rules, and therefore be exposed as being paid to come up with drivel?

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  6. Oct 13th, 2009 @ 8:49am

    Re: Re: Broadband? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

    by icon kirillian (profile)

    Yes, but...SOME of us here in the US are stuck with the single choice or duopoly that is in place. We are the ones who spend $40 a month for a 1.5Mbps cable connection that drops off the face of the planet during any sort of busy time (think evening...so...anytime that I would use it).

    It's not always even about speed. Mostly...I just want to be able to use my connection.

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  7. Oct 13th, 2009 @ 9:06am

    If there, why not everywhere?

    by Colonel Panik

    Lafayette, Louisiana
    Municipal run Fiber to the Home.
    50 down and 50 up = approx $60/month

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  8. Oct 13th, 2009 @ 9:07am
    by Anonymous Coward

    Americans foolishly choose to live in the suburbs, and then expect to get services and coverage equal to that of the most densely populated cities in the world.

    Don't blame the carriers if you choose to live in the woods, or in some flat run for ever burb. You chose your home, live with it.

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  9. Oct 13th, 2009 @ 9:26am
    by Anonymous Coward

    I live in a fairly populated non-suburb city called New York City and we have eactly 2 choices that is not EVDO or 3G: Roadrunner (10mbit max,

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  10. Oct 13th, 2009 @ 12:46pm

    Re:Re:Broadband? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

    by micmac

    kirillian is way too generous. Broadband, such as it is, is almost everywhere in the US a two player game, at most. In Denver we have two real choices. Cable and DSL. Cell Phone connections don't count unless you have an unlimited budget.

    My daughter, who lives 4 miles from a paved road in the Ozarks, has only DSL, but pays only about half what we get charged.

    Think about it: DSL in the remote woods.

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  11. Oct 13th, 2009 @ 1:20pm
    by Anonymous Coward

    I live just over 3.5 miles from one, 6.5 from another. Both towns have internet through both cable and DSL. The best broadband connection I can get(not that I would call it broadband, but centurytel does), is 512k/128k DSL. Of course this doesn't include the ever popular satellite internet connection that costs approx $400 for the equipment and another $60-$80/month for service. So while I will admit that I live "out in the country", I'm not so far out that I shouldn't be able to get significantly higher speed access.

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  12. Oct 14th, 2009 @ 7:13am

    Re:

    by Anonymous Coward

    We have a LOT more land than Europe. So of course more people can choose to live with a yard and private pool and stuff. Hate us for our quest for luxury! Hate us for our easy going lives!

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  13. Oct 14th, 2009 @ 7:15am
    by Anonymous Coward

    DSL is NOT broadband. The bandwidth you get from it is minuscule. You can't run multiple computers on the internet or even a download and surf the net without being severely hamstrung.

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