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Legal Issues

Legal Issues

by Mike Masnick


Filed Under:
ireland, three strikes

Companies:
bt ireland, eircom, irma, upc ireland



Recording Industry Sues More Irish ISPs For Not Implementing 3 Strikes

from the but-where's-the-law? dept

Ireland has not implemented any sort of "three strikes" law for getting ISPs to kick file sharers off the internet, but don't tell that to the recording industry there. A little over a year ago, you may recall that the recording industry sued leading Irish ISP Eircom, claiming that its failure to stop file sharing on its network broke the law. That was quite a claim -- and about the only actual "evidence" was that because some execs from Eircom had some internal emails where they joked about piracy, then obviously the ISP was guilty. Rather than deal with an expensive court proceeding, Eircom quickly settled, and agreed to put in place a three strikes rule (despite being under no legal obligation to do so).

However, because Eircom was worried about the competitive nature of the industry -- and how users might flock to other ISPs, it apparently had the labels agree to go after other ISPs as well. In fact, very soon after the agreement, the local recording industry association (the Irish Recorded Music Association -- IRMA) sent letters to other ISPs falsely claiming that under European law, they too needed to implement three strikes -- to which those ISPs responded by pointing out the law said no such thing.

Apparently IRMA would like to put that to the test. It's now sued two other Irish ISPs: the second largest telco (BT Ireland) and the largest cable ISP, UPC Ireland. UPC Ireland seems ready to vigorously defend itself, noting: "There is no basis under Irish law requiring ISPs to control, access or block the internet content its users download. In addition, the rights-holders' proposal gives rise to serious concerns for data privacy and consumer contract law."

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News You Could Do Without

News You Could Do Without

by Mike Masnick


Filed Under:
ireland, isps, three strikes, website blocks

Companies:
eircom, irma, the pirate bay



Recording Industry Says Irish ISPs Shouldn't Protest If It Demands Pirate Bay Block

from the that-doesn't-seem-right... dept

Irish ISP Eircom recently settled a lawsuit with the recording industry. The lawsuit itself was an oddity -- as it was the first time we could recall the industry actually suing an ISP over charges related to file sharing. The settlement, though, was quite troubling, as Eircom agreed to kick file sharers off the internet via a "three strikes" plan, despite the fact that many countries in Europe have said that it doesn't make sense to kick users off the internet -- and may actually be a violation of their civil rights.

However, much more troubling news is now coming out about the settlement. Reader eoinmonty alerts us to the news that IRMA, the Irish Recorded Music Association, has been sending letters to other ISPs throughout Ireland about the Eircom settlement, telling them that they should implement the same plan as Eircom, noting that it's "in accordance with Irish and European law." That's highly misleading. But, the really troubling part is the claim that the Eircom settlement includes an agreement by Eircom not to protest should IRMA demand that certain sites, such as The Pirate Bay, be blocked completely.

Other Irish ISPs are up in arms about this, noting that it's somewhat ridiculous to simply grant the recording industry free reign in deciding what can and cannot be blocked, without allowing ISPs to speak up against such egregious blocking. And, as some of those ISPs point out, it's particularly ridiculous to highlight The Pirate Bay, as it still hasn't been found to be illegal -- and certainly not in Ireland.

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News You Could Do Without

News You Could Do Without

by Mike Masnick


Filed Under:
ireland, isps, three strikes

Companies:
eircom, ifpi



Irish ISP Accused Of Copyright Violations Agrees To Implement Three Strikes

from the settle-me-this dept

Last year, the IFPI sued Irish ISP Eircom for copyright infringement. This was quite a leap. While the IFPI, RIAA and other such organizations had been pushing ISPs to filter file sharing or cut off file sharers via a three strikes approach, this was the first time that an ISP was being sued for being actually liable for the infringement as well. The "evidence" appeared to be some internal emails where Eircom employees joked about piracy. That seemed like a stretch... but rather than go through a full lawsuit, it appears Eircom has settled. Reader eoinmonty points us to the news that Eircom has agreed to implement a three strikes policy as a part of the settlement. Interesting that this comes just days after the neighboring UK announced that it will not require three strikes policies from UK ISPs. Of course, now the IFPI and the record labels have a framework: sue ISPs, and then push them to implement three strikes as a part of the settlement.

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Legal Issues

Legal Issues

by Mike Masnick


Filed Under:
copyright, ireland, isps, liability

Companies:
eircom, ifpi



Record Labels Make The Case That Irish ISP Is Guilty Of Copyright Infringement

from the inducing-a-joke dept

A few different readers sent in the latest on the lawsuit that the major record labels have filed against Irish ISP Eircom. While the adversarial relationship between ISPs and the recording industry has been discussed for years, this is the first case in which the labels are directly suing an ISP for copyright infringement. Their argument, similar to the "inducement" rule that the US courts made up (it's not actually in any US law) is that Eircom was actively encouraging piracy. In the case, they used internal emails from Eircom execs where some execs jokingly talked about how piracy was good for musicians because it would reduce money for rock stars to spend on cocaine. Apparently, obviously joking comments are being used to establish intent these days. Either way, this seems like a weak case for the record labels. Plenty of people encourage piracy. It's not going to go away if all those people shut up. The industry needs to stop freaking out over the fact that piracy happens, and start focusing on actual solutions in the market.

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Legal Issues

Legal Issues

by Mike Masnick


Filed Under:
ifpi, ireland, isps, liability, safe harbor

Companies:
eircom, ifpi



IFPI's New Strategy: Sue ISPs For Not Stopping File Sharing

from the making-life-even-worse-for-themselves dept

Earlier this year, the IFPI was successful in convincing a court to force a Danish ISP to block access to the Pirate Bay. Rather than recognizing that this only helped drive more traffic to the Pirate Bay, the folks at the IFPI seem to have gotten it into their heads that the best course of action is to start suing ISPs for not stopping file sharing. Its first target is the large Irish ISP Eircom. Eircom points out all the obvious things: it has no idea what its users are doing on the network, it's just providing the network -- and no one had made it aware of any specific infringing activity. Rather than deal with those very reasonable questions, the record labels responded with the ridiculous "but you know it's happening!" response which we've heard all too often these days. Of course, knowing that unauthorized file sharing is happening on your network and being either liable or able to stop it are two very different things. Basically, the record labels seem to be admitting that they are unable to stop file sharing, so it must be someone else's job. Even worse, they seem to be saying that it's a legal responsibility of someone else to try to prop up their own failed business model. Talk about grasping at straws. I'm not sure if Ireland has laws like the US's safe harbor provisions protecting service providers from liability for the actions of users, but hopefully the Irish courts quickly realize how ridiculous it is to pin liability on an ISP and throw this case out. What's also partly disturbing is the fact that the "but you know it's happening!" comment comes from an EMI exec, just after we thought EMI was moving away from ridiculous IFPI lawsuits. Apparently not.

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