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Culture

by Mike Masnick


Filed Under:
jill sobule, josh freese, marketing, moldover, music



Music And Marketing -- You Need Them Both

from the it's-not-just-one dept

A couple people have sent over Bob Lefsetz' recent post, where he bashes some of the "extreme marketing" efforts from musicians lately. In fact, he picks on quite a few of the examples that we've set out as good examples, including Josh Freese, Jill Sobule and Moldover -- complaining that these are all gimmicks that outshine the music. He asks how many people who have heard about these gimmicks actually heard the music from these artists.

I think he's both right and wrong on this. First, you have to say "compared to what." If Freese, Sobule and Moldover had just come out with an album in the traditional way, how many of the same group of people would likely have heard the album? I'd say a lot fewer. I doubt I would have heard any of them, and now I'm quite familiar with the music of all three.

But... his larger point is definitely dead on. At the core of all of this, it is the music that is key. But putting out good music and being a good marketer are not mutually exclusive. If you do something cool -- something fun or valuable or neat beyond just the music -- it's not going to matter as much if the music itself isn't good. This is why, I have to admit, the one area where I think all three of these artists could have done a better job is actually making the music itself free. All three offered really compelling reasons to buy, but they still hid away the actual music. Why not free up the MP3s, continue the cool "reasons to buy" and get the best of both worlds. Then you get everything: you get people listening to the music and feeling a connection there. You get people paying attention for the "marketing" part, and you still make money thanks to the "reasons to buy."

But that doesn't mean that doing a smart marketing promotion is a bad thing. It just needs to tie in well with the music. The existing "true fans" will already want to hear the music, but if part of the goal is to attract new fans, you have to go beyond just the marketing to give them more access to the core music -- and focus on selling them on real reasons to buy something above and beyond the content.

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Culture

Culture

by Mike Masnick


Filed Under:
books, jill sobule, novels, robin sloan, tiers



Authors Take Up The Tiered Support Models Also

from the good-for-them dept

Another day, another example of content creators embracing the business models we've been talking about -- and once again, this one is outside of the music industry. Recently we wrote about movie makers picking up on tiered funding offerings, similar to what Jill Sobule has done, and now we've got a budding author as well. To be clear: I'm absolutely sure there are others doing this as well, but I just heard about this particular example. Elinor Mills has the story of an author, Robin Sloan, who has apparently put some popular short stories that he's written online for free. But now he's trying to write a whole book. But rather than go the standard route, he's self-funding and then self-publishing the project, and like Sobule, Josh Freese, and many others (um, including us!), he's offering various tiers of benefits that you get for support:

Pledge $3 or more
DIGITAL PACK. Get a PDF copy of the book and follow along with behind-the-scenes updates.

Pledge $11 or more
PHYSICAL PACK. All of the above, plus get a physical copy of the book. (The more people who choose this level or higher, the better the book is for everybody!)

Pledge $19 or more
SINCERITY PACK. All of the above, plus your book is signed, and it comes with a little surprise.

Pledge $29 or more
PATRON PACK. All of the above, plus your name (or secret code-name) is listed in the acknowledgments.

Pledge $39 or more
SUPER OCCULT VALUE PACK. All of the above, plus get three more copies of the book (for a total of four), so you can give one to a friend, donate one to the library, leave one in a coffee shop with a line of hexadecimal code scribbled across the title page...
The cool thing? At the time I'm writing this, the last one had the highest number of buyers, and the cheapest one had the lowest number of buyers. And yet the Hollywood lawyers of the world insist that people just want to get stuff for free. Not true. Provide them real scarce value and people will buy.

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Culture

by Jill Sobule


Filed Under:
connecting with fans, cwf, jill sobule, jill's next record, rtb



Jill Sobule Talks About Her Experience Connecting With Fans, Giving Them A Reason To Buy

from the stalkers-into-promoters dept

With our CwF + RtB experiment in full swing, we've asked some of the participants involved to provide some guest posts, including their thoughts on the experiment itself. Jill Sobule is a well-known singer/songwriter, who last year embraced the CwF + RtB spirit with her Jill's Next Record experiment. We asked her to share some of her experiences with it as a guest post:

Around 2 years ago, I put up the website -- jillsnextrecord.com -- where fans, as well as semi-pressured family members and friends, could donate to the recording and release of my next record. I didn't want them to just give me money, so I came up with different levels of donation for various "gifts and services": For example: The $25 Polished Rock Level would get you an advance CD -- no big deal. But the $50 Pewter Level would place you in the liner notes. My favorite was the $500 Gold Level where I would write you your very own theme song -- just to let you know, the host of... "Dancing With The Stars" went for that one. Within two months, much to my surprise, I reached my goal. Not only have I bypassed that much maligned middleman (the record label) but I have developed and maintained a closer relationship to the one's that really matter: the fans. Someone asked me if I ever had any stalkers. I said yes, and I put them to work selling my merch at shows or helping me with my website... They do such a better job.

I really like that Techdirt is promoting artists and writers who are trying to break the mold -- and in many cases, already succeeding. Also, as in my case, the creativity didn't stop at just the music itself... We worked together to figure out how to best to offer my work. Our first idea was a semi-lame faux cactus (to match the cactus on the album cover). We, thankfully, came up with a better one: handwritten lyrics on a moleskin journal to go along with the new record. Wish I would have thought of that before.
Given her experience, we were thrilled that Jill agreed to be a part of the whole CwF + RtB program. Not only that, but she went above and beyond in enthusiastically volunteering to create custom, one-of-a-kind notebooks for everyone who orders the Techdirt Music Club. For each order, she'll take a brand new notebook, and jot down some song lyrics and some doodles on the first few pages -- so you'll get a totally unique "Jill Sobule original" notebook, along with a signed copy of her CD. If you order both the Techdirt Music Club and the Techdirt Book Club before midnight PT, August 3rd, we'll throw in a free Techdirt hoodie, or a free lunch with me (Mike).

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Too Much Free Time

Too Much Free Time

by Mike Masnick


Filed Under:
business models, jill sobule, jonathon coulton, josh freese, keynote, moto boy, trent reznor



My Keynote At The (RIAA Sponsored) Leadership Music Digital Summit

from the fun-stuff dept

In mid-March, I had the pleasure of giving the second day keynote talk at the Leadership Music Digital Summit. It was a lot of fun, and generated some really fascinating discussions (as always). There was a lot of demand to get the video online, and I wanted to thank the team at Leadership Music (Kira and Abby) and Matt Houser who volunteered to put together the video with my slides, which you can see on the media page or embedded below:


Leadership Music Digital Summit 2009 - Mike Masnick keynote address, 3/25/09 from Leadership Music Digital Summit on Vimeo.


If you've seen my earlier Midemnet presentation, this is actually an extended and improved version of that, so part of it will already be quite familiar to you. However, the final 10 minutes of the presentation gives me an opportunity to respond to the biggest question that came after the original presentation: how does this work for less well known musicians. So, I went through five different musicians, who all come from different backgrounds and experiences, representing different "success levels" in the industry, to show that this basic concept of connecting with fans, giving them a reason to buy (and not freaking out about piracy) works quite well.

You'll note at the beginning of the presentation, I note that the RIAA was a major sponsor of the event, and there was a huge RIAA logo hanging over my head (not seen in the video). The RIAA also sponsored the lunch following my keynote. While I actually did end up talking to representatives from all four of the major record labels while in Nashville (with... um... very, very, very different reactions from reps from each label, from outright frosty, to curious, to very interested and engaging), no one from the RIAA itself actually said hello. Too bad.

In the meantime, there are a bunch of new events I'll be speaking at in the coming months (all doing very different presentations), and I'll be putting up a post detailing some of those in the near future as well -- and I hope to meet more readers and Techdirt/Insight Community participants at these events.

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Culture

Culture

by Mike Masnick


Filed Under:
business models, fan support, jill sobule, music industry



Jill Sobule Shows She Can Create A 'Professional' Fan-Financed Album

from the and-it-works dept

We've written a few times about Jill Sobule's business model experiment last year, where she was able to get fans to pre-finance her album, by offering tiered levels of support that all provided something extra (usually something scarce) that created a real reason to buy. Back at MidemNet, Sobule talked about the success of the experiment, but now, as that album is getting close to actually being released, more details are coming out about how the experiment worked (via Nancy Baym). It covers some of the familiar territory, but one key interesting point: she raised over $75,000 in less than two months and used it to produce an album just as if she were with a record label. That is, she didn't want to cut corners. So she hired famed producer Don Was and a bunch of top notch studio musicians.

I bring this up because one of the critiques that some readers have had whenever we talk about these business models is that under the business models we discuss, the "quality" of the music would surely decline. These commenters insist that such a model would focus on people recording crappy songs in their living rooms, rather than doing a full professional setup. While that may be true of some, it would seem that this is pretty clear evidence that it certainly doesn't need to be the case:

"I wanted to show the labels that I could do what they're supposed to be doing at a fraction of the cost, and do it better. I spent a couple of weeks in a studio in Los Angeles where Joni Mitchell and the Carpenters and Poison --- let's not forget Poison -- recorded. I wanted to make an album that could've come from a big-label artist, and at the same time was totally grassroots."
She does note, of course, that the process of "connecting with fans" is time consuming, and admits that there are times when her writing suffers because she's spending so much time online, communicating with fans. Indeed, that is an issue, and I think that artists who are adopting these models are definitely going to have spend some time finding the right balance -- or getting to a point where they can work with someone (the role that a good label should be playing) to help manage the "marketing" side of things. Still, can we kill off the myth that these new models mean that quality of new recordings suffers?

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Culture

Culture

by Mike Masnick


Filed Under:
backyard concerts, business models, jill sobule, john wesley harding, music, tiers



Yet Another Musician Offers Tiers... Including A Backyard Concert

from the awesome dept

Way back in 2003, I put forth a potential business model for the music industry that encouraged free file sharing. If I believed in the old saw that "ownership" is everything -- perhaps I could have tried to patent it as a business method patent (I'm joking, people). Of course, I'm much more excited about seeing it put to use -- and we've definitely seen various musicians over the past few years adopt variations on this business model put into place. But I find it especially amusing that one throwaway idea I mentioned in that post seems to actually be getting some use: the backyard concert. Specifically, the business model I put forth was that the musicians could give away the music for free, but could offer various (scarce) goods to sell: with a big one being access to the artist. And, I thought, what better form of access than a personal concert? You could do backstage passes, but why not also have some sort of option for the musicians to actually play at your house. If you're a major fan, how awesome would that be?

Last year, Jill Sobule was the first well-known artist we saw who actually offered that. And, now, Boing Boing is reporting that John Wesley Harding is doing something similar. Like Sobule, Trent Reznor, Kristin Hersh, the Beastie Boys and many others, Harding is offering a variety of options for ways to support him -- starting with a download plus CD with bonus live disc for $16 (a bit high, honestly). But at the top of the list is a $5,000 option for... a backyard concert. Sure, perhaps no one will actually take him up on it, but I have to admit I'm thrilled that multiple musicians have now "stolen" this idea and at least are testing it out (though, my original idea was to make it more of a raffle: if you buy into something else, you get a random chance to win a backyard concert).

That said, I'm not all that impressed with the overall offering. It doesn't include a free component, which makes all of the paid options a lot less valuable. If you get more people into the music, they're more willing to buy all those other scarcities you're offering. And, the basic prices seem a bit high. When Reznor did his experiment, the "basic" two disc CD was $10 for 36 songs and there was a $5 option and a free option as well. Starting at $16 (not including S&H) seems a bit high. Still.... great to see that backyard concert option gaining traction.

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Culture

by Mike Masnick


Filed Under:
business models, jill sobule, jy park, marillion, midem, moto boy, music industry



An Outsider Gets A Peek Behind The Scenes Of The Music Industry's Mindset: Optimism Into Denial

from the it-ain't-pretty dept

I'm writing this on the way back from MidemNet, where I had the chance to present a case study on why Trent Reznor's various experiments with business models represents the future of music. I know many people (both at the show and among the readership here) have asked to see a copy of the presentation, and the folks at Midem are working to get a full video of the presentation online -- hopefully sometime next week. I'll talk more about my presentation at that time, but it seemed to go over surprisingly well, with many of the later presentations making references back to it as a great example of optimism.

That's the good news.

But, of course, we're talking about the recording industry, which has an amazing ability to turn optimism into denial. My presentation wasn't the only bit of "good news" either. The Midem organizers did an amazing job bringing in numerous positive examples of musicians and record labels who hadn't learned to just adapt, but thrive in this changed world. It was like a who's who of folks that we discuss here on a regular basis.

The Outsiders And The Innovators:

Jill Sobule talked about her experiment with getting folks to pay various "levels" to pre-finance her latest album. She said she expected only her mom to donate originally, but instead she raised nearly $90,000 in less than two months -- even more than her original goal. She was especially shocked that someone paid the highest level ("weapons grade plutonium") which she had intended as a joke. But the woman who coughed up that $10,000 got to sing on one of the songs on the album -- though, Jill noted that they had to use Autotune to make her sound good.

Mark Kelly from Marillion spoke about the business model experiments they've been doing as well. As noted in the past, they've been doing this for years and years. Back in 1993, some fans of the band suggested opening up a bank account and donating to a pool in order to allow the band to do an American tour (in that case, those who donated didn't get anything special -- they still had to buy separate tickets to shows). From there, the band kept experimenting, using their mailing list to fund new albums, rather than go with a record label. On the latest album, they decided to go with the free music model -- giving it away entirely, and offering various levels as well (including, like Sobule, getting someone to play on the album as well), and the end result was a huge jump in mailing list names, from which the band expects to derive future revenue.

JY Park, an entertainment mogul from Korea, gave a series of examples of massive success stories he's built in the Asian market, by forgetting about trying to charge for the music, but creating full entertainment brands, where music is just a part of it. He actually has a series of "academies" around the world where he's training the next international superstars -- making sure they know at least two languages, and then getting them involved in a multimedia smorgasbord, from music to TV shows to live concerts to sponsorships and many other things. It's already proving to be a huge success with artists like Rain and Wonder Girls, and there are more opportunities from there.

Terry McBride talked about the various experiments he's been running as well with the Nettwerk Label, to take artists and figure out new ways for them to connect with fans in a manner that helps them build an all encompassing business model that brings in plenty of money.

Martin Thornkvist, who runs an indie record label in Sweden called Songs I Wish I Had Written, and who's built up a coalition of indie labels in Sweden who embrace the internet, called The Swedish Model, talked about all of the possibilities the internet has created -- and why things like The Pirate Bay can be good for music and open up new opportunities. Last year we wrote about how Moto Boy, one of the artist's on Thornkvist's label, was assembling a virtual concert from fan footage. Another cool new thing he's doing with Moto Boy is that he created a little mechanical music box that plays one of Moto Boy's songs. You can place it on any surface and wind it and it plays the song. Moto Boy's music is available for free -- but the music box is a cool souvenir that Moto Boy's true fans are more than willing to pay for.

Nancy Baym showed just how much value there was in the fan community, and the fan's relationship with musical acts -- and how musicians that had learned to embrace their fans were doing amazingly well. For example, the most talked about bands on Usenet weren't necessarily the biggest album sellers -- but they did represent a who's who of the top concert earners. There's a reason for that.

There was a session on how the Chinese music model had evolved. Almost no one buys music there, but it's still a huge money maker for musicians. JY Park had mentioned this in his presentation -- his musicians make a ton of money from brand sponsorships in China -- but there were numerous other examples of musicians in China making plenty of money through mobile subscription services. For example, some musicians get fans to sign up for special subscriptions that represent the only way for them to potentially get tickets to see those acts perform live.

To be honest, it was great to see all of these examples of openness and business models that work on display at the event. The Midem folks certainly weren't shy about bringing in "outsiders" to highlight these things.

The Insiders And Denial:

But, then along came the insiders. There was an intensely frustrating two-part "debate" over how ISPs and the recording industry needed to work together. And, even as they referenced the various presentations and examples that we all made showing that things aren't nearly as grim as they make it out to be, they immediately jumped back to the "problem" of piracy. There were so many examples of artists showing that there were business models that were working today -- often earning musicians more than they ever made before without worrying about piracy, and record company insiders would say "that's a great example to follow..." and then immediately afterwards would say "but we must stop piracy."

Actually, I should clarify that. They seemed to have learned at least some of the lingo of "embracing" file sharing -- but they would say entirely contradictory things right afterwards. It was as if they'd learned a few buzzwords, but not bothered to understand what they meant. Over and over again we heard music industry insiders say that they had made a mistake attacking fans, and that they had to learn to embrace piracy... but then, they'd immediately make a statement about how they needed the gov't or ISPs to take responsibility to squeeze excess cash out of file sharers to make up for their "losses."

It's as if they weren't even listening to what they, themselves, were saying, let alone what others were saying. Here we all were, showing how musicians were making good money (often more than they made in the past) by adopting new models, and all the insiders could talk about was how much money they were losing on piracy. The most striking may have been Kenth Muldin from Sweden's STIM, the Swedish performing rights society, who literally said: "Nothing will drive P2P file sharing from the earth. Nothing. And that's why we need to have legal sanctions against it." If nothing will drive it from the earth, why not embrace it, rather than attack it?

Even worse, that whole session was kicked off by Keith Harris, of a think tank called "Music Tank," and he set the tone for the entire "debate" by noting that all of the important stakeholders were present -- except, of course, the consumers "because they can't afford to be here." To that, everyone laughed -- but it was quite telling. The industry still doesn't believe that the actual consumers really should be a part of the conversation. The idea that they would be there for this debate seemed laughable.

Feargal Sharkey, former punk rocker and now in charge of a group called UK Music that basically represents all of the different players in the UK recording industry, was equally as contradictory. He started out by saying that the industry had made a ton of mistakes and set up adversarial relations that needed to change. But it didn't seem that he meant the adversarial relationship with fans -- but with ISPs. He said that it was time to get past the emotional arguments, and focus on reasoned arguments. And, immediately following that, he launched into an impassioned emotional argument about how "the music is all that matters" and he was sick and tired of bogus outsiders with their "utopian visions" and who spout "wild rhetoric and innuendo," but now was the time to work out commercial agreements whereby the ISPs would finally take responsibility for file sharing and start licensing. In fact, he suggested that, in the UK, at least, such agreements are months, if not weeks away.

Then there was Peter Jenner, manager of various music stars like Billy Bragg, who is nothing if not outspoken. He started out making a decent point that the recording industry was dysfunctional and had a long record of making things more complicated, not easier, but then he went on a rant about how "as long as there are free riders, there's a problem" and demanded that the gov't needed to step in and set up blanket licensing, requiring ISPs to pay up. Apparently, he's absolutely blind to the fact that you can turn free riders into a benefit. It's that old (incorrect) mentality that every freely shared copy is a lost sale, rather than an opportunity.

In fact, he made the incredibly laughable claim that if the gov't doesn't step in soon, "we will see the collapse of the entire entertainment industry." That seemed odd considering all of the examples in other sessions of musicians and record labels doing quite well despite the lack of gov't intervention. Perhaps he was too busy screaming for gov't help to bother to attend those other sessions.

As a representative from the Isle of Man gov't said: "The problem is that this industry is so focused on how much it's going to lose, it never looks at the opportunities of how much money there is to be made."

Perhaps the most amusing was Howie Singer, from Warner Music. He piped up from the audience about how their main focus was on compensating the artist. You certainly could have fooled some of the artists on Warner Music who have noticed that WMG has done plenty to make it more difficult for them to get compensation.

In that discussion, about the only reasonable voice was Gerd Leonhard, who pointed out that a better solution was setting up a truly voluntary (not mandatory) licensing offer that could be paid in a variety of ways: it could be individuals. It could be ISPs. Or, most interesting, it could be brands. What if Pepsi paid to cover all your music file sharing if you bought a certain amount of Pepsi drinks? I still don't think any such license is really necessary given these other business models, but he was one of the few in the debate actually noting that you can't do a top down solution that tries to "control" users.

Surprisingly, Geoff Taylor from BPI was much more reasonable than I expected. While he definitely wants ISPs to "take responsibility" he avoided some of the more ridiculous suggestions made by the industry in the past. In fact, when someone in the audience claimed that ISPs had to give up liability "safe harbors" Taylor pointed out that wouldn't be productive at all, and such safe harbors were at the core of how ISPs worked -- and even raising it would set the discussions back tremendously.. He's right, but it's surprising to hear that from a recording industry guy.

Basically, though, the industry insiders are still so focused on "the piracy problem" that they're blind to the idea that it might not actually be a problem -- as was shown time and time and time and time again during the other sessions. All these guys were doing was focusing on "free riders" or finding others like ISPs and the gov't to "blame" for not stepping in to fix the "problem" rather than looking at all of the amazing opportunities that musicians and indie record labels are already embracing to tremendous success.

So, for all of the optimism presented throughout the event, it was somewhat disappointing and frustrating to see the old guard still totally focused on the wrong issue. The overall event was fantastic though -- to see the various players mixing it up in a discussion like this, rather than it just being a pure echo chamber. It was just frustrating to see so much of the focus from the existing players apparently missing out on all of the amazing success stories and opportunities laid out in front of them.

Hopefully, though, with this dialog started, over the next few years, these ideas will start to permeate more deeply.

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Jill Sobule The Latest Musician To Embrace New Music Business Models

from the good-for-her dept

Last month we wrote about musician Kristin Hersh embracing a version of the new business model we suggested for musicians way back in 2003. It's a model where the musician can actually embrace file sharing and do better because of it, by focusing on using the file sharing to sell more scarce goods, such as specific songs or access to the musician. One of my favorite ideas in that discussion was that the musician could offer up that he or she would play a backyard concert for a supporter. I've yet to see anyone else pick up on that suggestion... until now. Well-known singer-songwriter Jill Sobule has just announced her plans for a new album and it involves a website that allows people to buy in at different levels from $25 (you get the CD before it's released) all the way up to $10,000 (you actually get to sing or participate on the CD). At the $5,000 level, Jill will come and perform at your home. I still think the lowest level ($25) is a bit too high, but the various levels and the rewards at each level do seem about right for the model. It's not clear how Sobule feels about file sharing on top of this, but it's clear that she's really embraced this new business model -- so I'm hopeful that it works out for her. So here's a question: will all the folks who say that taking an idea without giving someone credit for it is "theft" claim that Sobule "stole" this idea from me or will they recognize how ridiculous that is and how we're all better off when infinite goods are spread freely?

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