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Overhype

Overhype

by Mike Masnick


Filed Under:
copyright, dmca, fair use, notice and takedown, safe harbors



The Web Thrived In Spite Of The DMCA, Not Because Of It

from the too-much-credit dept

While I was pointing out all of the reasons why the DMCA needs to be re-examined from scratch, Wired has put up an article detailing the one single positive aspect of the DMCA: the safe harbor provisions that protect service providers from liability for copyright infringement done by users. However, I think Wired, and the various people quoted in the article, give way too much credit to the DMCA for a variety of reasons. In fact, Wired goes way too far in claiming that the DMCA "saved" the web and allowed it to become what it is today, suggesting (incorrectly) that things like blogs and YouTube wouldn't be successes without the DMCA.

First, the claim by an MPAA representative that without the DMCA movie studios wouldn't have moved to DVDs is, at best, stretching the truth. While some studios would have been nervous, it wouldn't have taken long for some studios to more aggressively experiment with DVDs, and early success would have made studios unwilling to hold back. Besides, it's not as if the DMCA has actually done anything to protect DVDs. DVD ripping software is widely available.

As for the safe harbor provisions, there's plenty of reason to believe that we would have reached the same legal situation even without the DMCA's safe harbors. Two years prior to the DMCA, the CDA was passed, and while pretty much all of that law was thrown out as unconstitutional, the bit that remained was the famous section 230, which provides a very similar safe harbor for non-copyright issues. It's not difficult to believe that in the absence of a DMCA, section 230 would have been expanded to cover copyright. And, even if section 230 wasn't extended explicitly, one would hope that the courts would have established the exact same precedent by noting how ridiculous it is to blame a service provider for the actions of its users. The fact that we even need safe harbor provisions is ridiculous. It should be common sense that liability should be placed on the actual party to do the action, rather than any service provider that was used in the process.

Finally, Wired talks up the whole notice-and-takedown process, which has been a tremendous burden for many sites. While Wired does highlight how the notice-and-takedown process has been regularly abused, it still gives too much credit to the whole system. If Congress really had to have a formal takedown process, it makes perfect sense to have a notice-and-notice system, where the accused infringer would have a chance to respond to the charges before the content is taken down (innocent until proven guilty, blah blah blah).

So, yes, the safe harbors provided by the DMCA are a good thing -- but to extrapolate from that and a few other questionable points that the DMCA is responsible for the rise of things like blogging and YouTube is hard to square with reality. It's quite likely that things wouldn't be all that different in the absence of the DMCA -- except we'd have a lot fewer abuses of it.

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Legal Issues

Legal Issues

by Mike Masnick


Filed Under:
dmca, isps, notice and takedown, streisand effect



DMCA Abused To Get Sucks Site Taken Down

from the ouch dept

Greg Beck writes in to let us know about the latest example (in a long line) of DMCA abuses. In this case, a home building company, Powermark Homes, is upset about a website called Powermarkhomessucks.com. Now, there's a long legal history around the legality of so-called sucks sites -- and in most cases, they're perfectly legitimate. However, that battle hasn't even played out yet. While it's pending in court, the company took a second route to knock the sucks site completely offline with no judicial review whatsoever: filed a DMCA complaint with the ISP hosting the site, alleging copyright infringement on the site. The "infringing" content in question isn't even infringing. It's a photo that was included as part of the court filings in the case and is taken from a trade magazine (who most likely owns the copyright). However, thanks to the wonders of the notice and takedown system, the ISP is required to take the content down for at least 10 days to avoid liability. So down goes the site, despite no infringing content and without any kind of judicial review -- while the actual case sits and waits in court. As Beck notes, this is likely to come back to hurt Powermark Homes, because filing a false DMCA takedown notice can get you in all sorts of trouble. Then, of course, doing so also has a bit of a Streisand Effect as well, as a lot more folks are suddenly hearing that there are at least some folks out there quite unhappy with Powermark Homes.

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(Mis)Uses of Technology

(Mis)Uses of Technology

by Mike Masnick


Filed Under:
dmca, isps, notice and takedown



New Zealand ISPs Fight Back Against Proposed DMCA-Like Takedown Policy

from the why-not-let-people-defend-themselves? dept

One of the more well known parts of the DMCA law in the US is the so-called "notice and takedown" process. Basically, if a copyright holder discovers any infringing content, it can alert the service provider hosting the content (the "notice" part), and that service provider must immediately takedown the content. This immediate takedown process has problems -- especially when people with no rights to content abuse the notice and takedown system to force content they don't like offline. Of course, the entertainment industry doesn't mind it when they accidentally takedown legitimate content. To them, it's no problem if innocent bystanders get caught in the crossfire. So it's no surprise to find out that in the effort to put DMCA-like laws around the world that the "notice and takedown" system would be proposed as well. Apparently, that's exactly what's happening in New Zealand. However, the good news is that ISPs there are fighting back against the proposal, questioning why they should need to waste their time on this. Instead, they suggest a much more reasonable "notice and notice" process, whereby the ISP would pass on notification to the user responsible and give them a chance to respond, contest the charge, remove or change the content in question. That seems like a much more reasonable process that avoids the problem of legitimate content being taken offline without any verification to the legitimacy of the claim. Of course, the entertainment industry will argue that such a system would never work, probably using its standard line about "irreparable harm" in letting people actually defend their innocence.

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