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Legal Issues

Legal Issues

by Mike Masnick


Filed Under:
chilling effects, liability, safe harbors, trademark, web hosts

Companies:
akanoc, louis vuitton



Dreadful Ruling: Web Hosts Hit With $32 Million Judgment For Content On Customers' Websites

from the chilling-effects dept

Well, this is bad. We've worried in the past about the lack of a specific safe harbor to protect trademark infringement claims being brought against third party service providers. The DMCA has a safe harbor that protects against copyright claims, and the CDA has a safe harbor that protects against all non-intellectual property claims, such as defamation. But trademark is a loophole... and because of that you can get some really dreadful results. Earlier this year, we noted that a court had ruled that web hosting firms could be liable for trademark infringement done by their customers. The case involved luxury goods retailer Louis Vuitton suing some web hosting firms for the actions of their customers. Any common sense ruling would find that the hosts are simply the tool providers, and it was the customers running the actual websites who were liable. That is, if there were common sense.

Instead, as Eric Goldman alerts us, the jury has sided with Louis Vuitton and awarded the company $32.4 million in damages from the web hosts.

This is a bad end result no matter how you look at it. If you do any sort of web hosting, your liability just went up by a tremendous amount, and you may now be expected to proactively police all your customers' websites for anything that might possibly be seen as trademark infringement. It's safe to say that this is not what Congress intended -- given the nature of the safe harbors it set up in the DMCA and the CDA. Hopefully, either a higher court will toss this out and/or Congress will finally get its act together and extend safe harbor protection to trademarks as well.

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Legal Issues

Legal Issues

by Mike Masnick


Filed Under:
counterfeit, liability, web hosts

Companies:
louis vuitton



Court Finds Web Hosts Liable For Counterfeit Sales By Web Sites

from the bad-precedents dept

While a US court last year (correctly) found that eBay is not liable for counterfeit goods sold by users, a recent court case won by Louis Vuitton surprisingly found that a web hosting company could be found liable, if a site hosted by the company sells counterfeit goods. The court finds the site guilty of both contributory copyright infringement and contributory trademark infringement, claiming that the host knows about the infringement due to notices from Louis Vuitton, without explaining how the hosting firm could possibly know if the complaints were legit or not (or whether the goods being sold were counterfeit or not). In a bit of a scary connecting of the dots, the court suggests that because the web host was notified, and because it could then disable the accounts, it's now liable as well. That creates a huge chilling effect for web hosts -- as it encourages them to basically shut off any website based on any accusation of selling counterfeit goods. If web hosts don't do that, they may face significant liability. There's nothing wrong with companies going after the actual sellers of counterfeit goods -- but going after the web host (and winning!) sets a dangerous precedent.

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Email

by Mike Masnick


Filed Under:
spam, web hosts



Can You Stop Spam By Going After The Webhosts?

from the not-yet,-but-maybe? dept

While spam filters have gotten better over the years, meaning that email spam is now "manageable" for most people, some people are apparently arguing that a better solution to stopping spammers is to go after the web hosts who host the sites advertised in spam. That sounds nice in theory, but in practice it doesn't make that much sense. In fact, the article even notes that a guy who's been using this approach over the past four years has shut down over 30,000 sites... but the number of spammers out there has remained essentially constant. In other words, despite the entire premise of the article, this method doesn't seem to work very well in stopping spam. It's not too hard to figure out why. First of all, there are tons of different webhosts out there, and some less-than-scrupulous ones have found that hosting for spammers is quite lucrative. There's always going to be someone out there willing to host these sites... and even if there aren't, spammers will probably just focus on using their hijacked zombie networks to run web servers as well. Also, of course, lately spammers have found that stock spam is incredibly lucrative -- and that doesn't require any site to link to at all. So a method like this is pretty useless for any kind of stock spam or other popular spam like 419 advance fee frauds or even the spam messages designed to get you to install a trojan to draft your computer into a zombie network. Yes, it would be great if this method does help stop spam -- and we're not saying the folks doing it should stop. But, the reports claiming that this is a great way to stop spam probably could have used a little more support.

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