Texas DPS Wants Uvalde Bodycam Footage Buried Because It Might Let School Shooters Know Cops Won’t Stop Them From Killing Children
from the big-warm-cup-of-go-fuck-yourself dept
The Uvalde Police Department — which currently avails itself of 40% of the town’s budget — did nearly nothing to stop an extremely horrific school shooting that resulted in 19 dead children, two dead teachers, and 17 others being wounded.
While Robb Elementary turned into a bloodbath, Uvalde officers retreated after a couple of flesh wounds, apparently unwilling to sacrifice their lives for children. They spent nearly an hour doing nothing than listening to nearby gunshots and ignoring 911 calls placed by students brave enough to risk their lives to save their classmates. What they did do is restrain parents who attempted to rescue their kids — something that involved pepper spray and Tasers. Meanwhile, off-duty Uvalde police officers allegedly entered the building to remove their own children from Robb Elementary.
It was a Border Patrol Tactical Team that finally ended the violence. And it seemingly had nothing to do with the Uvalde PD’s response to a rapidly changing, extremely violent situation. According to reports that followed multiple bullshit statements by the Uvalde PD and other Texas law enforcement agencies, a Border Patrol officer received a text from his wife about the shooting. This off-duty federal officer evacuated several students (as well as his own daughter and acted as a liaison with the BP tactical unit that finally ended the killing).
Having failed to act as the fearless heroes law enforcement tends to demand everyone view them as, the Uvalde PD — along with other law enforcement officials — are now trying to bury the inconvenient truths that have disrupted the preferred narrative.
The shooting has provoked a lot of public records request activity. So far, none of the involved law enforcement entities have been willing to release the least biased source of information about the school shooting: body camera footage.
Reports are often just history being rewritten by the presumptive winners: government officials. This remains true even if cops appear to have taken a loss. Internal investigations are dragged out for months, if not years, to ensure public outrage is nearly nonexistent when the results are announced.
Journalists working for Vice have requested body cam footage from all agencies involved in the response to the Uvalde school shooting. So far, no one has turned any footage over. The Border Patrol claims its body cam footage is exempt because the incident is currently under investigation. The Uvalde PD and Uvalde school district have refused to even acknowledge Vice’s public records requests. That seems about right for these two entities, which are also refusing to cooperate with a federal investigation of the shooting and local law enforcement’s response.
None of this is surprising. The school district is a hotbed of potential legal culpability at this point. And so is the police department it relies on to keep students and teachers safe… not just because that’s what people expect of law enforcement officers but also because the district utilizes department officers as on-campus law enforcement.
One Texas law enforcement agency has been a bit more forthcoming: the Texas Department of Safety has informed Vice journalists that body cam footage they’re seeking does exist. But rather than turn it over, the DPS is asking state Attorney General Ken Paxton (now in his seventh year of fraud indictment) to block the release of this footage under the theory that it might let school shooters know how little resistance they’ll face from local law enforcement agencies.
This is the assertion in favor of (apparently indefinite) secrecy the DPS has made in response to these records requests.
“Revealing the marked records would provide criminals with invaluable information concerning Department techniques used to investigate and detect activities of suspected criminal elements; how information is assessed and analyzed; how information is shared among partner law enforcement agencies and the lessons learned from the analysis of prior criminal activities,” the department wrote in a letter to the Office of the Attorney General that asked the office to prevent the release of the public records. “Knowing the intelligence and response capabilities of Department personnel and where those employees focus their attention will compromise law enforcement purposes by enabling criminals to anticipate weakness in law enforcement procedures and alter their methods of operation in order to avoid detection and apprehension.”
Keep in mind this is standard opacity boilerplate. The DPS might have said the same thing about footage of a contested cash seizure or a botched no-knock raid. But maybe someone at the DPS should have tailored the boilerplate to the situation at hand, because this response makes it appear the DPS does not want the footage released because it might show the “weakness” of the “response” to the shooting by the Uvalde PD.
But the only thing the next school shooter might learn is what they’ve learned already from press coverage of the Uvalde shooting: local law enforcement agencies may not be willing (despite being specifically informed during active shooter training that they are expected to place themselves in the line of fire) to sacrifice their lives or personal safety to save the lives of children. Few mass murderers will need to be informed that government employees will most frequently act in their own interests, often at higher rates than the rest of public.
The so-called “first rule of policing” is to make it home alive, no matter who else has to die to ensure this outcome. The DPS smoke screen being deployed here does nothing to reduce the possibility of future mass shootings or give the public a better understanding about state and local crisis response efforts. All it does is ensure the officers that let everyone down during the Robb Elementary shooting will be given every opportunity to disappoint the public again at some point in the future.
Filed Under: bodycams, border patrol, excuses, foia, mass shootings, police, texas, texas dps, uvalde
Comments on “Texas DPS Wants Uvalde Bodycam Footage Buried Because It Might Let School Shooters Know Cops Won’t Stop Them From Killing Children”
Uvalde police response
“We’re police officers! We’re not trained to handle this kind of violence!”
What's this?
Techdirt community members with Techdirt Credits can spotlight a comment as either the "First Word" or "Last Word" on a particular comment thread. Credits can be purchased at the Techdirt Insider Shop »
…enabling criminals to anticipate weakness in law enforcement procedures and alter their methods of operation in order to avoid detection and apprehension.
If I were him, I’d be less worried about methods and procedures, and focus on the yellow, chickenshit cowards who did absolutely nothing despite all their ‘training and expertise.’
You can’t fix a coward with a procedure.
Re:
When the ‘weakness in law enforcement’ that might be exploited are the officers yet you’re in a position where you cannot blame them dishonest scrambling to find a scapegoat is about the best you can do.
'If they see the footage they'll see who exactly to blame...'
The body cam footage won’t show anything that people don’t already know, that for all the public funding the department hogs when it comes down to it they value their lives over the lives of children, all that it might shows is the flavors of cowardice employed, and more importantly the specific officers employing it as they punt the problem onto other people.
They spent nearly an hour doing nothing than listening to nearby gunshots and ignoring 911 calls placed by students brave enough to risk their lives to save their classmates. What they did do is restrain parents who attempted to rescue their kids — something that involved pepper spray and Tasers.
A telling and disgusting response.
Go up against someone that might shoot them back? Hell no, they didn’t take that job to put their lives in danger, the kids are on their own!
Tase and pepper spray people who can’t shoot back but who are brave enough to face a shooter if that’s what it takes to rescue some kids? Damn right, can’t let the public show them up by doing what they refuse to.
They’re perfectly willing to employ force but only when they know the favor won’t be returned, truly the heroes of the day and defenders of the public.
Re:
Exactly. The police will not protect you; they won’t even protect a school full of kids. It’s on us to protect ourselves and our families; you are your own first responder.
Re: Re:
And who do you propose is going to stop Floridians from getting shot by their own two year olds?
Re:
Nevermind defunded – those SOBs should be sued
It’s pretty bad when a gang of cops with guns are more scared than unarmed teachers who threw their bodies over the children.
Re: Its pretty bad...
or worse even….
The cat is out of the bag
Criminals have long known that they will likely face little or no resistance from either cops or other citizens if they violently attack a school, church, or most other places, for that matter. If they didn’t know this before, they sure do after Parkland and Uvalde.
There have been exceptions, of course, to the standard lame responses to violent attacks, but they have been relatively uncommon.
Re:
“Criminals” makes it sound like the perpetrators mainly use violence as a means for achieving some gain other than getting killed while enacting some supremely stupid notion of revenge on the world. I don’t think that “outsmarting” them would be much of an issue: I don’t remember the last such incidents where demands for getaway cars or similar were placed.
Those mass shootings are not bank robberies. And schools are not high security prisons (yet). At some point of time the U.S. should get over the Amendment that had been added in order to provide the legal infrastructure for maintaining the logistics for human hunting and lynching parties by organised militia acting above the law.
Historically, enabling the sort of terrorising act of weapon-wielding thugs mowing down inferior human beings to teach them a lesson is exactly what the Second Amendment had been added for, under pressure of slave owners.
Individual “self-defense” is not what a “well-regulated militia” is about.
Those who commit mass shootings will rarely self-identify as “criminals”.
Re: Re: Vicious circle
If the cops won’t protect you from madmen and psychos with the prodigious amounts of guns in the hands of same, what options are there for us citizens, fathers/mothers, families to do to do to protect ourselves but arm or move to some fantasy land that doesn’t necessarily grant citizenship to us?
FFS yesterday a man driving a truck got honked at for being a dooshe behind the wheel and that triggered the poor snowflake to shoot to death a 3 year old child strapped to a fkn child seat and CANNOT even duck!! Its getting ludicrous in this country…
Re: Re: Re:
That is one of the problems of the citizens being armed, when they lose their tempers they use their guns.
Re: Re: Re:2 sure but...
Agreed but that genie is out of the bottle. So…?
Re: Re:
Right, because shooting groups of people in a one-off event isn’t a criminal act, meaning that the violent shithead isn’t a criminal by any means. Seriously, dude, do you never read your comments out loud to yourself before posting them to double check what they imply? (-_Q)
Re: Re: Re:
You should look at context before foaming off at your mouth. I was responding to a post writing
and that implies routine and organised behavior. And it patterns a response catering to routine and organised behavior. But that’s sable-rattling against strawmen.
Re: Re: Re:2
But that’s sable-rattling against strawmen.
Fur doesn’t rattle, dude. It rustles.
Re: Re: Re:2
You should look at context before foaming off at your mouth.
Says you that didn’t check your own comment for context, hypocrite. Autie had it right.
Uvalde police response
“We’re police officers! We’re not trained to handle this kind of violence!”
Someone will make a movie
And if all sides dont input the facts, then it will be a great movie and the State of Texas will be Shamed. Because they didnt Add their side. They didnt prove what happened from Their own perspective.
I still wonder where all that riot gear has gone to. The gov. was giving away so much stuff, you would think body armour would be had by all.
If/when the local PD get sued, they will then become 100% of the budget.
Get Your Money's Worth By Defunding The Police
According to the U.S. Supreme Court, police have no duty, moral or otherwise, to help those in trouble, protect individuals from danger, or risk their own lives to save “we the people.”
In other words, you can be outraged that cops in Florida did nothing to stop the school shooter, but technically, it wasn’t part of their job description.
This begs the question: if the police don’t have a duty to protect the public, what are we paying them for? And who exactly do they serve if not you and me?
Re:
Typo; Texas
Re: who exactly do they serve?
https://archive.org/details/wishforkingsdemo00laph
Your welcome
Re: if thats not the cops job...
…then we need draconian gun control laws because the “good guy with a gun” hypothesis is now completely blown out of the water (not that I ever bought it).
There isn’t any good guy with a gun to protect the public. Congress is supposed to do that with gun control laws. What other option is there?
something I'd heard and discounted
but now paying closer attention to is the question of how many kids may have been shot+killed by the cops.
I mean, if you think about it, thats the ONE thing that makes it all have some kind of sense is that at least some of the deaths come from the hands (or rather the guns) of the cops.
Why else would they do this?
And of course, it’s easy to disprove, by them releasing the footage.
Re:
On the one hand that strikes me as an absurd reach, an explanation that reaches far beyond the more likely explanation of ‘they’re cowards and they don’t want video proof of who exactly did or did not do/say something when’.
On the other hand it’s not like ‘trigger happy’ and ‘homicidal’ aren’t traits US police have demonstrated themselves to have, and at this point they deserve zero benefit of the doubt so while I personally don’t think yours is the right explanation I also don’t think it’s one that’s completely out of bounds, and since they can disprove it by simply releasing the footage it’s on them to do so.
davec’s people.
He’ll care about his son, but as far as he’s concerned your children can go fuck themselves.
This comment has been flagged by the community. Click here to show it.
Re:
One bullet away from death, one mistake away from jail. You can scream at the sky all you want, but it’s not my son’s responsibility to give you material to rake him over the coals with. You can go look for your woke BLM nonsense somewhere else.
Re: Re:
Ya know, I wouldn’t be so very disgusted if these cops who’s main purpose is to handle school shooters (plus whatever mission creep gets tossed in),if these officers had made a clear concerted effort. I don’t have ridiculous expectations, I know that not every effort would be successful. I don’t even speculate that anything they could have tried would have helped the situation. But I know you miss 100% of shots you don’t take.
And anyone who considers themselves supporters of LEO, who have loved ones that work in the field, should be some of the loudest voices in demanding full, publicly disclosed accountability. Y’all should be screaming about the incompetent leader putting dozens of officers in harms way. Why didn’t they have their protective equipment, a selection of guns in their squad cars, radios that were functional and secured to uniforms? That failure to ensure working lines of communication from day 1 on the job, so cops don’t shoot each other by mistake seems like a pretty serious safety breach. That chief isn’t competent enough to manage a potted plant, let alone a group of armed staff responsible for protecting school children.
Not only that, but how certain could that jackass even have been that the shooter was still in the classroom, and hadn’t climbed up into an air shaft? Could have fired down on cops once they got in, dropped down where cops had their backs turned,or into another classroom, up to the roof, who knows? If he had a radio, I bet he could have gotten details about what exactly was happening inside the classroom because it probably had cameras (maybe not, but it’s really common), maybe formulated a plan that would reduce weak points where cops could be hit or killed. Maybe he could have turned control over to someone who had at least half his head out of his ass and could actually execute their training.
If the unions actually cared about anything but raking in money in their bloody racket, they would be a part of the solution, not fundraising campaign donations for whoever licks their boots with enthusiasm. What do they care if cops don’t have proper equipment, comprehensive perpetual training, or they get killed on the job by easily prevented situations. They will get those dues regardless, launder them to politicians and cement their power for generations to come.
People wonder why there is difficulty recruiting. Maybe it isn’t that they find it too under appreciated for the danger it comes with, but it’s too many people who don’t want to join a system they know is broken, where they will be expected to tow the line even when they know it’s wrong. Where de-escalation skills will be met with derision, and trying to get out of the job can be as dangerous as trying to quit a gang.
Re: Re: Re:
See, the problem is that you’re expecting davec to be an honest, decent human. His only contribution has been boasting about how his son is the perfect little angel and everyone else can burn once his son is out of danger.
Re: Re: Re:2
Oh I know he only thinks of his family, and assumes most cops are as fine upstanding officers as he believes his son to be (and maybe his son is generally good for a cop, I don’t know anything personally to prove one way or the other). But I think anyone who advocates for cops should see how this situation was dangerous for the cops and speak up about fixing hazards and ensuring they are properly equipped.
Re: Re: Re:3
Cops are by and large very focused on being well-equipped – the problem for them started when their body armor started requiring cameras tracking their every move.
Re: Re:
…it’s not my son’s responsibility to give you material to rake him over the coals with.
No one said that it is, but that’s what’s happened if he’s a member of the UPD, as you’ve just implied he is. 😝
Re: Re:
Yep, and that’s the best argument for making sure you and people like your pussy son are out of a job.
Fucking cowardly pieces of shit. All of you. One big fucking waste of money on freeloading chickenshits afraid of goddamn everything.
Tell me again how you’re supposed to be respected, asshole.
This comment has been flagged by the community. Click here to show it.
Re: Re: Re:
Tell me again how you’re supposed to be respected, asshole.
My son, daughter-in-law, and their colleagues are supposed to be automatically respected because they have the power to arrest you if you don’t, obviously.
Re: Re: Re:2
That’s precisely what makes them the pieces of shit they are.
Re: Re: Re:3
Poe’s Law, I think. The real davec would never be so honest about his motivations.
Re: Re: Re:4
Dammit.
Re: Re: Re:5
Nah, fuck him anyway.
Re: Re:
You can go look for your woke BLM nonsense somewhere else.
Yessir, Massa davec. I go back to the big tobacco field now. Please don’t tell the big massa of me.
While Robb Elementary turned into a bloodbath, Uvalde officers retreated after a couple of flesh wounds, apparently unwilling to sacrifice their lives for children.
Won’t somebody please think of the LEOs? 😱
Re:
It’s about sustainability. If police officers were killed instead of children, there would be nobody to protect the children next time round.
Not that there were this time. Let me try again.
If police officers were killed instead of children there would be nobody paid to protect the children next time round.
“Revealing the marked records would provide criminals with invaluable information concerning Department techniques used to investigate and detect activities of suspected criminal elements”
They couldn’t detect that he was still murdering children who were crying out & screaming…
I think they do not know the meaning of the word.
Not the actual issue here
Not to just toot 538 Maggie’s horn but she just might be onto something here. Nearly NONE of these people killing f’n children are looking for a “perfect crime,” they mostly want to do their horrific angry things then get popped by the weak @$$ “good guys with a gun” and be done. We are so horrifically misguided and weak. Shameful…..
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/suicide-prevention-could-prevent-mass-shootings/
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/weve-known-how-to-prevent-a-school-shooting-for-more-than-20-years/
Re:
But then someone would have to take the blame for why mental health was gutted & rarely gets any sort of funding.
I mean we have vets in the midst of a crisis being told they can see someone in 3 weeks… the largest fscking budget & they refuse to keep the promises.
While doing something about the ease of “kids” getting guns is a nice idea, building support systems that can identify the completely obvious warning signs & do something to assist that person would be better.
We also need to call out the bullshit about white people are an endangered species, immigrants are replacing them, the guns are gonna get taken, teh gays are pedos, prayer can fix anything, the GQP care really about your pet issues, that abortion ruined the country, that sex should wait for marriage that can only be between a man and a woman… you know like every fscking plank of the GQP platform.
But then those who could try to make these things happen we more focused on complaining about aid to Ukraine, how if we gave them all our tank buster missiles we’d leave ourselves open to attack. Because what North Korea is gonna magically teleport multiple tank columns inside the US? Trudeau is gonna get tired of the noisy neighbor to the south and roll out the armored divisions?
We have a study, it shows a common pattern to what makes a mass shooter, how many more events do we need before Congress reads it & puts some effort into breaking that pattern before we need 50 more kid coffins?
1 unwell person threatens to kill a SCOTUS Justice and zomg make the money rain for the heavens to protect them…
I guess they care less about born children…
But hey the mentally ill broke into Congress once, they can do it again.
We should send them thoughts and prayers when it happens again, suggest stronger doors & drills, and nothing else for them.
How many times does Congress have to dodge bullets from an AR15 before they decide perhaps it might be a problem?
We’ve got a buncha heavily armed crazies who just need a nudge to think they are saving children from baby eating cabals… they’ll throw themselves at it over and over.
Re: Re:
But with the rules around gun licensing, if we successfully identify people with depression and psychosis, we take away the 2nd Amendment rights of psychopaths to shoot up schools with AR-15 assault rifles.
Re: Re: Re:
NRA… didn’t y’all ban weapons from your convention??
Couldn’t get enough good guys with guns from your ranks?
Re: Re: Re:2
Well, the government denying people with depression who’ve ever been involuntarily committed their right to bear arms takes away the 2nd Amendment right of psychopaths to carry out school shootings, but as a private gun rights lobbying organization, we don’t take away people’s 2nd Amendment rights if we take measures to prevent psychopaths shooting up an NRA meeting with an AR-15 assault rifle. Similar to how the White House commits a 1st Amendment violation if it blocks any citizen from its website, but Twitter doesn’t no matter how much viewpoint-based censorship it engages in.
Re: Re: Re:3
Perhaps you missed the point that a majority of the mass shooters were never committed, meaning there wasn’t any wya to deny them a weapon.
But nice to try to pivot to only psychopaths do mass shootings, what school did you get your degree in mental health from again?
The NRA who pushes to allow people to open carry everywhere banned weapons fro their event… let that sink in.
While you enjoy a super cozy relationship with the government, Twitter doesn’t so they aren’t the government so 1st Amendment doesn’t apply there.
I’m surprised they could afford you, did Wayne have to give up a suit?
Re: Re: Re:4
Can you imagine anyone from the NRA being so honest, especially its president. I think you just got caught out by some very clever satire.
Re: Re: Re:5
Stupider shit has happened…
like a gang of kids on the internet took down a multi-million dollar extortion scheme & exposed an entire ecosystem thriving under the nose of the legal system…
Its why I hold out hope that whats his nuts lawyer will actually keep to his word & send the check he promised if I told him my name.
Re: Re: Re:6
A gang of kids on the internet took down a multi-million dollar extortion scheme & exposed an entire ecosystem thriving under the nose of the legal system…
Wasn’t that a movie with Angelina Jolie and Matthew Lillard?
Re: Re: Re:3
Similar to how the White House commits a 1st Amendment violation if it blocks any citizen from its website, but Twitter doesn’t no matter how much viewpoint-based censorship it engages in.
I think you meant ‘Truth’ ‘Social’ rather than Twitter.
Re: Re: Re:3
Being involuntarily committed does not equate psychopathy. It’s a poor predictor of potential violence and this kind of mindless rambling garbage only serves to stigmatize and drive people away from care they need.
Red flag laws are mostly just feel laws that give a false sense of security. These laws are built on the assumption that all threats are investigated seriously, that they get reported to a proper working system, and from a limited set of facts a person can be determined to be dangerous. These laws deter people from seeking treatment, especially those with PTSD and paranoia, and interfere with 2A rights without fair adjudication and opportunity to have rights restored.
The NRA is deeply tied to enemies of democracy, and the US. The Russians pull a lot of monetary strings.
Re: Re: Re:4
Your commentary is appreciated–psychopaths almost never seek treatment, and in fact that personality is often fully employed in policing, and other positions of authority. Its their close cousins in crime, the sociopaths who do these things, and many of those have in fact sought help, or been treated previously.
What’s not being talked about here is that in the vast majority of these shootings, the FBI, police from different levels and localities, and their “community assets” are all over these guys lives BEFORE they go on a rampage, then armchair narrate the event afterwards.
-many mass shooters were investigated by the FBI before their rampage–but because counterintelligence is so bizarre, it amounts to stalking, and harassment
-Parkland, Sandy Hook, Columbine–too many others to mention–all had the children of police in those schools, and often implicated as stalkers or bullies before the shooters acted out.
Re: Re:
Ditch the hate and the uninformed assumptions about things that you know far less about than you think. You’re speaking from agenda and out of bias and making generalizations, which immediately invalidates anything you say because it shows you don’t see people as individuals but only as large, monolithic groups that are easy for you judge and dismiss.
No generalizations. Ever. Everyone is different. Qualify your statements or don’t make them at all.
When was the last time you ever admitted you were wrong about anything? Seriously?
As just one example, you rail against abstinence in a sad attempt to justify your own point of view yet fail to understand that it was never intended as an arbitrary rule. It has a reason. Less chance of disease and unwanted pregnancy for starters. But also, when you do hold off and then finally give it to the one you intend to be with for the rest of your life, it becomes an act of love because you’re giving him/her a part of yourself that no one else has ever had, that will be his/hers alone. And from there, you learn more about each other and the act together rather than separately. It’s an ideal worth attempting, but at the same time, it’s not the end of the world if you don’t make it, either.
But it doesn’t seem like you ever considered that. It’s just easier to criticize than to actually think. You’d rather do that, apparently, than be honest and willing to look beyond your own point of view.
If you don’t want what you believe mocked, ridiculed, and put down, then don’t do that about the beliefs of others. Be constructive rather than dismissive. Don’t give in to hate but instead, try to understand and be willing to accept that your assumptions may be flawed and inaccurate. Because prejudice and bias can come just easily from the direction of you and those like you as it does from anywhere else.
Which is more important, saving face and reputation in front of your fellow commenters or being honest enough to acknowledge the possibility that at least some of your assumptions may be wrong or inaccurate?
Re: Re: Re:
What a useless waste of words to say what amounts to absolutely nothing.
You could’ve just prefaced your word salad with ‘there’s nothing of consequence here – i just want you to consider every single data point, where they have absolutely zero relationships between them because to do that would lead to generalizations.’
Fucking helmet.
Re: Re: Re:
“But also, when you do hold off and then finally give it to the one you intend to be with for the rest of your life, it becomes an act of love because you’re giving him/her a part of yourself that no one else has ever had, that will be his/hers alone,” said the intersex trans person to no one ever.
Re: Re: Re:
Sounds like the mad rantings of a straight white male terrified of his new place in the world.
A new world order is coming for you, you rapist asshole.
Re: Re: Re:2
Are you volunteering your asshole, or is that your face that said that? Hard to tell the difference.
Re: Re: Re:
Abstinence only has a bodycount.
This “teaching” is killing people in other countries because we have to pretend that people having survival sex aren’t worthy of truth or condoms if they want The United Church States to give their country aid.
Sex outside of marriage, its a moral decision that each human can make for themselves and should not be shoveled down their throats… you know like making a baker make a gay cake… thats horrible but forcing a woman to bear her rapist’s baby thats aokay.
I’d ditch the hate but I merely reflect what I get so very often from people just like you.
Me getting married means bestiality will become legal.
Me getting married means I will abuse children to recruit them.
There isn’t some secret list of gays who abused children, but nearly every fucking denomination has one oh predators they covered up for and protected.
I do enjoy that you’re more focused on my thinking your imaginary skyfreind makes you a moron than the idea that mental health in the US is in dire need of help.
“Because prejudice and bias can come just easily from the direction of you and those like you as it does from anywhere else.”
Bitch 31 fucknuggets showed up to cause a riot to harm teh gays because they dared exist.
Armed motherfuckers stormed a library to interrupt Drag Queen Story Time, they harmed the kids more than someone in a costume reading them a book ever could have caused.
Don’t generalize…
Really? I’ve been told I am a pedophile on several occasions because some wingnut prosperity gospel preacher or politician has claimed, lacking ANY FUCKING EVIDENCE, that all teh gays are pedos and after children.
More “religious’ types touch kids than gays but those in the church defend the predators, shame victims, and claim it never happened as they do it again and again.
Glad I could touch a nerve for you, hopefully mom won’t throw you out of the house like that one idiot in Idaho.
Re: Re: Re:2
There isn’t some secret list of gays who abused children, but nearly every fucking denomination has one oh predators they covered up for and protected.
I didn’t know that the BBC is a denomination. I thought it was a broadcaster. 😉
Re: Re: Re:3
the BBC’s numbers pale in comparison the the Catholics and now the Southern Baptists (who were dumb enough to include record keeping about how they told the victims they were wrong & how they were keeping a lid on it)
Re: Re: Re:2
To add to your point, MSMs have way more anal sex than gay men do.
Re: Re: Re:
Every rhetorical question, morality prostration, accusation of improper assumption can be fairly cast directly back at you. Don’t break your neck falling off your high horse.
utility of footage
Not to defend the refusal to release the body cam footage, but given that the police didn’t do much, I wonder whether it would be informative as to what went on within the school?
On the other hand, given the ubiquity of smart phone cameras, I wonder whether some of the students or school staff recorded something more useful.
Re:
Not to defend the refusal to release the body cam footage, but given that the police didn’t do much, I wonder whether it would be informative as to what went on within the school?
Damn. I find this funny in an uncomfortable sort of way.
But you’re right. What good is it seeing a bunch of big tough cosplaying cowards shitting themselves while cowering in a fetal position?
We know what happened. They just proved that several good guys with guns are too scared to do anything.
Re: Re:
It seems that your definition of “good guys” is far more expansive than mine.
Re: Re: Re: or the definition is sarcastic
It just goes to show that expecting there to be a “good guy with a gun” on hand to stop any given mass shooting is a fantasy and needs to be discarded as an argument against gun control. We need an outright ban on civilians owning weapons of war and a ban on bullet sales too.
The journalists likely didn’t request to find out what went on inside, but rather precisely what went on outside.
Re:
Like assaults on parents.
Re: Re:
Like assaults on parents.
More like stopping parents preventing the murder of their children because the police refused to, if we’re being entirely honest.
police ≠ heroes.
The good news is “officers did not sustain any life threatening injuries”, so job well done!
https://lawandcrime.com/school-shooting/after-19-kids-died-in-massacre-uvalde-police-chief-wrote-press-release-saying-his-officers-responded-within-minutes-and-thankfully-did-not-sustain-any-life-threatening-injuries/
Re: 'Look, the only lives I value were safe, so I count that as a win.'
… just wow, how gorram tone deaf do you have to be to boast about how none of your people suffered any serious injuries because they were cowards and stayed back as a number of kids got murdered?
They are just begging the city to scrap the entire department and start over from scratch at this point.
Re: Re:
stares
Who the fuck are you and what have you done with That One Guy??
The real That One Guy knows that always spin things to make themselves look better no matter how many people they or their inaction caused.
Re: Re: Re:
That’s the thing though, through their horrifying honesty they made themselves look so much worse(which is really saying something) than they would have if they’d just kept their mouth shut.
‘Sure our cowardice meant a bunch of kids ended up dead but silver lining it meant that none of us got seriously injured’ is something I’d expect a parody looking to mock police to say as it shouldn’t take any intelligence to realize how bad a look that gives.
Re: Re: Re:2
well self centered is a default position we’ve seen more and more of. (See also: I don’t care if the shot will help other people, I refuse to get it or wear a mask)
Re: Re: Re:2
The truth is that while davec might claim that someone else is posting anonymously as him, you simply cannot parody davec. He really is that much of a scumbag.
DeepThreat
Our police are at least as much of a threat to US democracy as Trump. They’re the guardians of constitutional behavior as well as “ordinary” good behavior, but they’re profoundly corrupt. They’re bound to be, I suppose. Their psychological patterns are well documented–most are control freaks seeking order in their own lives after a childhood of abuse. Not the best preparation for a career enforcing law and order, not the best people to give a gun to.
so much for the good guy with a gun hypothesis.
And so much for “hardening” schools too. The killer got in because a teacher propped up a door. You know, like actual people are prone to do. This is all predictable human behavior and won’t change.
What should change: allowing civilians of any age to own weapons of war whose only purpose is to kill humans. If you want to hunt, here’s your rifle. If you want to defend your home, here’s your handgun. If you want to visit the shooting range, use one of those two. You’re not allowed to own nuclear weapons either, and no the Second Amendment isn’t an excuse.
Anything else isn’t going to work. Other countries have mentally ill people and violent pop culture. They don’t have mass shootings every day of the week.
Re:
Teacher didn’t leave door propped open after getting what she needed outside. In fact she pulled the door closed because she was alerted by the folks across the street about the guy with the gun heading her way. Though certainly this is a potential vulnerability for any school with secured doors. In this instance it wasn’t a teacher, but failure by multiple structures- school administrators, custodial department (assuming they were empowered to make necessary repairs but failed to do so), and the people in charge of the school police department.
Hardening the schools in terms of secured doors, fences, cameras, 1 way windows, and hopefully introductions of innovative new escape systems so that people are not trapped & scrambling to hide behind locked doors, but rather the door presents an additional obstacle while children make it out windows or into more secure spaces are ways to add some long term protection. It will take time to build up the capacity for mental healthcare that’s needed in this country. We can make it more difficult for some people to get guns, but we have to be realistic in that some people will find ways around the rules, and technology will always be a few steps ahead. We just can’t put all our eggs in 1 basket, we need to embrace the fact that no one policy or law or idea is going to solve complex problems.
As a parent and grandparent, I cannot begin to fathom the rage and grief that those of the innocent murdered children are going through. I sincerely hope these folks gain the means to sue the City of Uvalde right off the map, out of existence. Every dime of funding, including (and perhaps especially) those meant for municipal employees’ salaries, must be turned over to these bereaved parents, to partially compensate for their unimaginable losses at the hands of a psycho who should have been confined to a rubber room–and at the hands of those money-sucking ass-scratching “officers” who could only manage to harass hapless parents who were petrified for their childrens’ safety. The Uvalde Pigs functioned as accessories to mass murder; the municipality does not deserve to exist any longer.
School shooting in Uvalde
The police chief needs to be fired. He doesn’t even follow protocol and stands in the school hall for 70 minutes and doesn’t even have his phone to communicate nor his video camera. Afraid it would flop when he ran. Sounds totally nuts. He is no leader.