One guys shoots himself in the foot, the other is just a fay kid who nearly spins around and falls over trying to do some moves… they both are suing those who released the videos… granted the officer is a trained professional, but if the star wars kid got some money, so should this guy.

Yes everyone makes mistakes and is careless at times, but when you are handling firearms you can’t afford to make mistakes and be careless or people die. I am glad he shot himself on not some kid who was there.

When you are doing something where mistakes can kill someone else there is no room for error.

When I saw this video, I saw it as a classic show of someone so full of himself that he forgot to take the clip out of his gun and clear the chamber, he was just a little to full of his ego, thats what seems to have got him in trouble, and the next dumbest thing he did was when he wanted another firearm to display, he should just accept that video release as his punishment for being so stupid, and to think he was trained, who trained him? hahaha.

alright, i’ve been seeing a lota comments made about race here, and i hate to break it to you all, but……….

RACE DOESNT MATTER!!!!!!!!

just cause someone is black or white or mexican or whatever, it DOES NOT make you a better or worse cop. the fact is, the government hires under-qualified people to fill positions, and then hand them guns and a badge. the government doesnt want their employees to think for themselves (which is what a qualified person would do), they just need agents to do what they are told.

as for racests…… your family imagrated here too sucka! and if it wasnt for us “white peoples” we wouldnt have half the issues we have today. and just so you know, i am a cracker, whity or whatever other term there is for a white person. but that is a totally different topic for a different thread

This guy was acting like it was show and tell. Bragging that he was the only with professional experience to handle this instrument like 50 Cent and Too Short(entertainers that pander to ghetto folk).

If had had been a professional he would have never unholstered his Glock! Glocks are notorius for shooting their own handlers.

This guy is an idiot and deserves public humiliation. If my child was in the room I would have disarmed the idiot myself and plaed him under arrest for discharging the weapon in a school. ( a crime everywhere even if you are a dea agent)

Congratulations to BILLY for his sound-minded post.

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A quick little comparison. by Billy on Apr 15th, 2006 @ 12:15pm

I own hand guns that I shoot often on a range. I have never had ‘formal’ training but I know that I am to never to point my firearm at anything I didn’t want to kill… and every gun is always loaded. Period. Basic Firearms 101. Im glad this dude didn’t kill a student and he should be laughed at until he disappears… Obvioulsy he’s been at home a lot lately watching the lawyer ads on afternoon TV.

The video was actually filmed by one of the parents in the audience, not the DEA.

I don’t think that the DEA ever had the video in their posesssion… well, maybe as a “you have to see this” email attachment.

Anyone who handles weapons as part of their job should know… every firearm is to be treated as if it were always loaded. Therefore, you never put your finger on the trigger unless you are intentionally firing the weapon, and you never point the weapon at anything you’re not willing to destroy.

The DEA guy who assumed he was getting an unloaded gun handed to him made two mistakes, he assumed the weapon was unloaded (they should be handled at all times as if they were) and he put his finger on the trigger when he did not want to discharge the weapon. Two of the biggest no-no’s when handling firearms.

Assuming you got an unloaded weapon from ANYone, even someone you trust with your life, is not acceptable. You must always check the weapon yourself if it has been out of your hands, even briefly.

I don’t think he should be fired, but he should have to pay for his mistake. Reprimanded, perhaps knocked down a few levels in pay grade, and put in the DEA basement filing reports for the rest of his ‘career’. He should absolutely not be allowed to give any more lectures.

Also, to the idiot who said “glocks are notorious for shooting their handlers”… I’m sure what you meant to say was that glock owners tend to shoot themsleves more than other gun owners (since the trigger must be pulled to shoot a gun, and the guns can’t pull their own triggers). I’m not sure I agree with that sentiment, though. It could be the fact that there are more Glocks on the street than most other brands that skews the figures.

WOW!! by Boink on Apr 14th, 2006 @ 6:44pm
Only someone who is themselves incompetent would say such a thing!! I

You must be new here. Dorpus is incompetent.

So I finally downloaded and watched the video link that someone posted, it’s better than the one I saw last year in that it has an addtional 40 seconds of footage where someone tries to hand the guy a shotgun and all the kids spaz out and start yelling “no don’t give it to him.” That part of the video made it like 10 time more amusing.

I just wanted to make a final point for all the people that seem to think they know everything about handling guns.

The whole checking the chamber thing is standard knowledge for ANYONE that has ever been taught anything about firearms. I understand that people who don’t use guns won’t know this, but for those of you that do, you don’t need to keep repeating what someone else has already said….several times.

Now, about that business about putting your finger on the trigger only if you intend to shoot something. It’s a cliche that people like to say. It’s impratical in reality.

When you cock a firearm, you’re putting tension on the firing spring. ANYONE, and I mean ANYONE who really owns guns and uses them, knows that you don’t leave the hammer cocked for an extended period of time. It ruins the tension in the pin-spring and eventually can make it so that the pin doesn’t strike the bullet hard enough to fire it. Not to mention the chance of a dropped firearm going off is HUGE if that hammer is cocked (although ironically not in the glocks case, since they have that that lovely double safety action). Don’t give me that crap about dry firing either, these aren’t your grandpa’s guns, dry firing hasn’t been a threat to the condition of your gun for over 60 years now.

So he was just releasing the spring out of standard procedure, what ANYONE else would have done in that situation……there just happened to be a bullet in the chamber…..which is what the REAL problem was, not his manner of handling it. In fact it appears he never checked the chamber himself when the gun was handed to him……..bet he always checks it now though.

So stop shitting on this guy for “putting his finger on the trigger” and what not. If that’s the angle you choose to attack him on, then you truely know very little about firearms.

Also, stop using “the children” as an excuse to condem this man, it’s dispicable and weak. If you think he should be in trouble simply because he was around children when this happened, then you have NO clue as to how our legal system works. I might not be a lawyer, but I’m perfectly capable of using Google to look up the laws related to this incident or any other incident. Children need no more protection than any other “innocent” individual. In fact children deserve LESS protection because they contribute hardly anything to sociaty as a whole.

You can say it’s cold thinking all you want, and I’m certainly not advocating that DON’T protect children. I’m just saying that they don’t deserve some kind of exclusive protection. Isn’t that what screws people up anyway in the long run, sheltering your children from reality? Kids aren’t as weak as you think they are, and if you TREAT them like they’re weak, then they will grow up to be weak.

I posted that last comment about drowning, just forgot to fill in my name =P

the DEA agent and the star wars kid should meet so they can can whine together about how their own stupidity was documented on the Internet. Maybe they can start a support group?

Why the hell would anyone, including a police office of any kind be using a loaded weapon in a classroom of kids for a demonstration? The Glock is nearly idiot proof having a safety mechanism in the trigger. Why did this moron pull the trigger? He deserves the criticism and should include the video in future demonstrations to show how anyone could have an accident. The government trained him and I’m positive he didn’t follow the training directives.

David in Redding, CA.

As Presedential candidate Dr.Ron Paul said when asked if he favored gun control: (paraphrased)
Yes, I support strict gun control on the GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES.

1.It was a NEGLIGENT DISCHARGE not an Accidental Discharge.
2. He did not follow several rules of gun safety including not pointing the weapon at anything you don’t want to destroy (his leg).
3. He had the wherewithal to make the mistake part of the gun safety lecture – that’s takes guts after just taking a .40 caliber round in the leg at point-blank range.
4. He’s suing the DEA because he believes that the DEA, while using the tape to investigate the situation, leaked it on purpose for the sole purpose of ridicule. An example would be that some of his brother agents were teasing him and decided to posit it on the ‘net without realizing they were compromising his life. That is a big problem. If the agent was indeed an undercover operative, his cover is now blown by the public release of the tape. It also endangers not just his life, but also his family, friends, etc. It also hurt his career.
5. EVERYONE makes mistakes. It does not matter what kind of gun it was, or what safeties it does or does not have. IN fact a Glock has three safeties, it just doesn’t have a “kill switch.” The only true safety is your finger.
6. The agent goofed when he forgot to take out the magazine after clearing the weapon. When he released the slide (some people have called that pulling the trigger the first time when it was not. It was releasing the slide to it’s forward position), the slide moving into the forward and locked position inserted another round from the magazine into the chamber. This made the gun ready to fire. The agent then pulled the trigger, which is standard, as long as you’ve PROPERLY cleared the weapon, which he did not do.
7. These kinds of Negligent Discharges happen everyday to cops, civilians, everyone. It’s too bad this man had this mishap occur in public. Most often these mishaps happen in private where no one finds out about it.

In general, if you are around guns enough, you will likely be involved with a Negligent Discharge one way or another. If it happens to me, hopefully I will have the fortitude to go on and use the example as how accidents happen while standing in front of a room of 50 people! Even though this guy made a mistake by not following proper procedure, it could have been a lot worse. How many of us make mistakes? ALL of us! The guy should be given a break.

Here is the bottom line…this guy has a callous attitude towards firearms. End of discussion. I have been shotting and handling weapons (mainly postils) since I was 9. I enjoy the sport of shooting. Everytime I pick up a weapon I cahnt a mantra in my head…safety, safety, safety. This idiot violated more basic safety principles than I could count. I used this video as a training tool for someone I am teaching to shoot. Before I ever picked up a weapon in my pupil’s presence, or even contemplated allowing her to, we spent a good half hour discussing “OK/not OK.” I am going to list the safety violations. (1) magazine in weapon (2) bolt closed, (3) safety off (4) don’t point at something you don’t intend to detsroy (of course maybe he was really mad at his foot), (5) know your backstop. That bulklet could have richoted all over the room. I am surprised it did not. Maybe his foot was at fat as his head. Gun safety needs to be taught in a controlled environment like a range. You don’t lecture about it…you demonstrate. I guess he did do well in that department.

As to people who defend this moron, I can only hope that they are not using him as an excuse or justification for their own bad judgements and habits.

When you lose respect for a firearm, you lose respect for life. End of discussion.

Where is the evidence that DEA leaked the tape? How can the former agent successfully sue government if no proof government leaked the tape? Now he has a hole in his foot and empty pockets.

Hmmmm… Let’s see… I wonder why all the cops on this board are all for cover ups??? Hmmm… But really folks evil people(99.99% of cops) hide the truth and present a masked face (Hypocrites) to others, whether it is individually or organizationally. They should try living life in the light. Oh yea never mind that thought because then they couldnt be cops.

First it probably was a Glock, second it probably as a 40 caliber, but the guy states it’s a “glock 40” thats not correct probably a Glock 19 in a .40 caliber. I don’t think it’s funny he shot himself, but “stupid should hurt”.

This isn’t just a mistake you can laugh off. This is a fully trained (or supposed to be) government agent giving a speech about SAFETY. Someone could have been killed.

I haven’t heard any news about how this has progressed. Hopefully he is waving a spatula around at a fast food, “This is the turbo burger flipper 400” I am the only one professional enough to handle the turbo flipper, then drops it on his foot. Anyone ever figure out the lesson he was trying to teach these young people? Waving a gun around, bragging, and showing off? I bet the guy wore a cape and a mask at home, waving his glock around in front of a mirror, immitating episodes of Walker Texas ranger.

Why didn’t someone stop his presentation after he SHOT HIMSELF? You would think that someone would stop him. And what about the people handing him the guns – why would you hand a gun to a man who has just SHOT HIMSELF?

I like the way his hair jumps when the gun goes off. Was it the recoil, the suprise flinch, or the bullet hitting him in the foot? Good to see a pro. at work, someone please keep a camera on this guy, this is some of the best commedy that I have ever seen.

only blames one self!

Another example of why affirmative action is a really bad idea.

It’s funny how all of u try to take up for this guy and how u write so much to prove your point I could have given presentations like that for a lifetime with no ads hope this jerk off works a mc donalds now they like inept PPL

Actually he did not know better or it would not have happend like I said he’s a fucktard.

I am not so much worried about the DEA agent shooting himself in the foot as I am worried about is the people that this idiot is sent out to protect .

It’s that kind of argument that protects corrupt cops from justice. They took the job. If they can’t handle it then quit, don’t baby them and give them special privileges. Then they are worthless for what they were hired for.