Millionth Time Is The Charm: Donald Trump Again Sues A News Agency Over Factual Reporting

from the shocker:-terrible-human-being-also-terrible-litigant dept

“Open up the libel laws!” the man who can’t win consecutive elections (much less a defamation lawsuit) once proclaimed. The Republican Party (or at least its voting bloc) appears willing to give a man who’s enjoyed nothing but unearned opportunities throughout his professional and governmental career yet another shot in 2024. But he’s not going to find similar support in the courts, which have rejected pretty much every suit the sorest loser in the world has filed over the course of his lifetime.

This latest effort will fare no better. As C.J. Ciaramella explains at Reason, it’s highly unlikely any court will decide the line between defamation and mostly factual somehow runs right through the narrow definition of one state’s legal definition of the word “rape.”

In a complaint filed yesterday in the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of Florida, Trump alleges that Stephanopoulos defamed him during a March 10 interview with Rep. Nancy Mace (R–S.C.) in which the host repeatedly said that a jury found Trump liable for rape in the lawsuits brought against him by E. Jean Carroll.

[…]

Trump’s complaint is correct that, as a technical matter, he was found civilly liable for sexual assault under New York state law, not rape, because the jury did not find that he penetrated Carrol with his penis.

That’s the argument Trump is making. He was defamed not because it was alleged he sexually assaulted someone. He was defamed because the sexual assault (allegations upheld by a jury that also awarded Carroll $5 million last year) wasn’t legally “rape” under New York law.

Trump’s decision to push this argument shows he’s incapable of learning from past mistakes. The judge presiding over Carroll’s lawsuit already made it clear the sustained allegations described violations most people would describe as “rape” even if they did not include penile penetration.

“The finding that Ms. Carroll failed to prove that she was ‘raped’ within the meaning of the New York Penal Law does not mean that she failed to prove that Mr. Trump ‘raped’ her as many people commonly understand the word ‘rape,” Kaplan wrote. “Indeed, as the evidence at trial […] makes clear, the jury found that Mr. Trump in fact did exactly that.”

That is, the jury found it credible that Trump had penetrated Carroll’s vagina without her consent, although it was more likely with his fingers (a method Trump espouses) than with his penis. Rape in common sense of the word, even if it wouldn’t result in the specific criminal charge in the state of New York.

But Trump is as stubborn as he is stupid, and so he’s filed another lawsuit [PDF] he’s destined to lose. This one’s filed in Florida, which is where Trump often prefers to do his judicial business. Choice of venue aside, this lawsuit has “LOSER” written all over it. It opens with Trump reminding the court that he was once president of the United States and has built up enough steam to become the second coming of Grover Cleveland.

This boilerplate tho:

Plaintiff President Donald J. Trump (“Plaintiff”) is a private citizen of the United States, a resident of the state of Florida, the 45th President of the United States of America, and the leading candidate in the 2024 Presidential Election.

At least that means there won’t be any arguments over whether or not Donald Trump is a “public figure” for the purposes of this litigation. It’s also unsurprising that Trump refers to himself as a “private citizen” when filing lawsuits, but as “president” when defending himself against lawsuits and/or criminal charges.

The self-aggrandizement is followed by several paragraphs of Trump trying to re-litigate the E. Jean Carroll case — one that has gone down in the history books as a Trump loss, and one that he continues to compound by his unwillingness to stop defaming (or stop suing!) the victor of the civil case.

At the heart of this case are the ten times George Stephanopoulos referred to Trump’s sexual assault (under New York law!) as “rape” while interviewing Congressperson Nancy Mace. That’s it. That’s the whole thing. It goes on for several more pages, but that’s the entirety of the argument: that a jury found him liable for defamation and sexual assault, but not for the crime of “rape” as described very particularly by the New York state statute.

That’s not going to matter when this case gets underway. The standard is whether or not the statements are factual. Most people would consider forceful penetration of sexual orifices “rape,” no matter what was used. On top of that, Stephanopoulos was offering commentary and engaging in an interview of a Congressional Trump supporter. He was not directly reporting on the outcome of the Carroll case.

What it all comes down to is whether “rape” is defamatory when it’s used to describe something narrowly defined as “sexual assault” by a single state’s laws. And that’s just not going to be enough to rack up a win for one of the nation’s most inept serial litigants. Trump should just accept the fact that people believe he’s a rapist, even if a jury did not explicitly arrive at the conclusion. His version isn’t any better: all he’s really arguing here is that he should only be referred to as someone found liable for sexual assault. Is that really so much better it’s worth spending thousands or millions of dollars on?

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Dan B says:

Damages?

Setting aside the silliness of demanding “rape” be distinguished from “sexual assault” in ordinary conversation… I would love to hear the argument for damages, here.

“Your honor, I only stick my *fingers* up women’s hoo-hahs without their permission. Implying that I use my *penis* for that has caused the public to think less of me!”

That One Guy (profile) says:

Re: 'Both are terrible' vs 'Why would I care what he does either way?'

Those with working moral compasses are likely to consider both acts heinous, such that while there may be a difference in how terrible one is considered over the other it’s not likely to be overly large and therefore the ‘reputational harm’ is likely to be fairly equivalent between the two.

Those without working moral compasses like his supporters aren’t likely to care in a negative sense either way, so again no difference in reputational harm.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re:

Yes, Babs is here. +1 for Streisanding the fact that he ia a convicted (rapist?) sexual assaulter, and is running for president.

If your name is “Donald Trump” and you’re reading this, I am merely asking the question of rape… Not a statement of fact.

Much like how Fox News asks a whole lot of leading questions…

John85851 (profile) says:

It's not about winning

The Atlantic agues that the point of this case, and many others, is not that Trump will win the case (which he won’t), but that he’s somehow “sticking it to the liberal media”.
Yet at some point, all the legal costs will eventually catch up to him.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2024/03/trump-media-defamation-lawsuits/677859/

That One Guy (profile) says:

Re:

Oh it’s even worse/better than that.

If he wins a case he’s ‘sticking it to the liberal media’ and ‘defending free speech’ so his supporters had better keep the money and votes flowing so he can continue to fight on their behalf.

If he loses he points to the loss as evidence of how the legal system has been corrupted by the liberals(since clearly that’s the only reason he would or could lose a legal case) and uses it to fund-raise, stoke the persecution complex/fetish he and his supporters have, and use it as evidence of why it’s more important than ever that Real ‘Muricans be in office and how if you’re not voting republican you’re not voting for ‘Murica.

As for legal costs in his shoes I probably wouldn’t worry about those too much either, as if memory serves he’s not exactly had a stellar history of paying what he owes and it’s been working just fine so far.

That One Guy (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re: ... oh you meant as PEOPLE, never mind.

Sure he does, they make great ego strokers and wallet refillers when either of those start getting low for him.

So long as the leopard keeps going after the faces of those they don’t like they’ll keep cheering it on, paying no mind to the fact that said leopard has a history of turning on it’s biggest and closets fans in a heartbeat the second it might be beneficial for the leopard to do so.

That Anonymous Coward (profile) says:

How does one defame someone with a truly shitty reputation?

This is about trying to fire up the base to pour more money into “protecting” him from the liberals.

The man flies around on his own 737 jet.
The man claims to be a billionaire.
And somehow these slackjawed morons think that sending him half of their disability check will help him end socialism!!
The irony burns so bright its burning a hole to the center of the earth.

Rocky says:

Re:

You cannot defame that which DOES NOT EXIST.

Well, that is kind of the crux, isn’t it?

If someone is a character, they most likely have character.

If someone is a “character”, they most likely don’t have character.

Anyone who disagree with me, please raise your hand if you ever end up in court you’d want to have Trump as a character witness in your defense.

Ethin Probst (profile) says:

Plaintiff President Donald J. Trump (“Plaintiff”) is a private citizen of the United States, a resident of the state of Florida, the 45th President of the United States of America, and the leading candidate in the 2024 Presidential Election.

Wait wait wait, is he the president, the former president, the president-to-be, or a private citizen? Or is he magically all of the above? Maybe he is in his own mind… Who knows, he’s been claiming he’s the president for the last 3 years so…

Anathema Device (profile) says:

Someone needs to ask the kind of people claiming this isn’t rape whether being trapped in a small space with a much larger man and having one of his fingers shoved up their vulva or anus, is measurably less distressing than having his penis inserted in the same manner.

In fact, I wish someone would ask von Clownstick that question. Or one of his idiot sons. Or Nancy Mace, for that matter.

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